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Avodah Zarah 7

AVODAH ZARAH 7 (16 Adar II) - dedicated by Mr. Avi Berger of Queens, N.Y. in memory of his father, Reb Pinchas ben Reb Avraham Yitzchak, on the day of his Yahrzeit.


(a) Rav Huna also ruled like Rebbi Yehudah in his Machlokes with Rebbi Meir, regarding someone who gives wool to a dyer to dye red, and he receives it dyed black or vice-versa. Rebbi Meir says 'Nosen Lo D'mei Tzimro'.
Why is that?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(c) Rav Yosef accepted Rav Huna's first ruling.
Why did he then turn his face away from Rav Huna?

(d) What rendered that ruling redundant, according to Rav Yosef?

(a) The above Machlokes appears in Bava Kama.
Where is the S'tam?

(b) Rav Huna disagrees with Rav Yosef, because he holds 'Ein Seider le'Mishnah'.
Does this mean that he does not hold of the principle 'Machlokes ve'Achar-Kach S'tam, Halachah ki'S'tam'?

(c) What does Rav Yosef say to that? Does he not hold of 'Ein Seider le'Mishnah'?

(d) Even assuming that 'Ein Seider le'Mishnah' does apply here (like Rav Huna), Rav Yosef had good reason to turn his face away, bearing in mind the location of the Mishnah in Bava Metzi'a.
What is that reason?

(a) The Tana Kama in a Beraisa forbids Reuven to ask Shimon on Shabbos, whether he will be able to come in after Shabbos, indicating that he wants him to do some work (but without actually saying so).
What does Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah say?

(b) Like whom does Rabah bar Chanah rule?

(c) What does the Tana Kama in a Beraisa say about Reuven going to ask for a second opinion after having received a ruling from a Rav that something is Tamei or Tahor?

(a) In a case where there are two Rabbanim, one of whom says Tamei, the other, Tahor, assuming that one of the two is greater than the other, says the Tana, we follow his opinion.
What does he say in a case where the two are equal?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah say?

(c) Like whom does Rav Yosef rule?

(a) What does Rebbi Meir in a Beraisa mean when he says (in connection with Gazlanim and Amei-ha'Aretz) 've'Chulan she'Chazru Bahen Ein Mekablin Osan Olamis'?

(b) Rebbi Yehudah agrees with Rebbi Meir only if their Teshuvah was done privately, but not if it was done in public. In the second Lashon, how does he apply this same distinction, only in the reverse?

(c) What do Rebbi Shimon and Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah say, based on the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Shuvu Banim Shovavim"?

(d) Like whom does Rebbi Yitzchak Ish K'far Acco Amar Rebbi Yochanan rule?

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(a) We have already discussed the opinion of Rebbi Yishmael in our Mishnah, who forbids three days after the Nochri festivals as well as before.
What does Rav Tachlifa bar Avdimi Amar Shmuel say about Sunday and the days of the week, according to him?

(b) What problem do we have with the Chachamim, who say in our Mishnah 'Lifnei Eidehen Asur, le'Achar Eidehen, Mutar'?

(c) We answer this Kashya in four ways. Firstly, we attach the Machlokes to the She'eilah we discussed earlier, as to whether 'three days' includes the festival or exclude it.
What do the Chachamim here say?

(a) Alternatively, they argue over whether Bedieved, if someone did business with a Nochri, in spite of the prohibition, he is permitted to derive benefit from the proceeds (as we discussed earlier).
What will the Chachamim hold?

(b) Thirdly, they might argue over Shmuel's ruling.
What does Shmuel rule with regard to the three days in the Golah?

(c) What will the Chachamim then hold?

(d) And fourthly, they might argue over a ruling of Nachum ha'Madi in a Beraisa, who forbids only one day before the festival.
How will this explain the Chachamim's opinion?

(a) What did the Rabbanan comment, when Nachum ha'Madi forbade only one day before the festival?

(b) How could they say that, considering that the Chachamim in our Mishnah concur with him (as we just learned)?

(c) In another Beraisa, the Rabbanan made the same comment with regard to Nachum ha'Madi permitting the sale of a horse to a Nochri.
What kind of horse was he referring to?

(d) On what grounds does he permit it? Why are we not afraid that people might come to sell other large animals to a Nochri?

(a) Why did Chazal prohibit the sale of a large animal to a Nochri?

(b) Why then, does ben Beseira, permit the sale of a horse?

(c) When the Rabbanan commented to Nachum ha'Madi that his opinion should be kept 'in wraps' because nobody agreed with him, why did they not take into account ben Beseira, who permits selling a horse?

(a) In another Beraisa, Nachum ha'Madi requires aniseed to be Ma'asered, whether one picks it in the form of seeds, vegetables or stalks.
Why is that? What is the Chidush?

(b) Why did the Rabbanan comment there too, that his opinion ought to be hidden, considering that Rebbi Eliezer says the same as him?

(c) What was Abaye's response when Rav Acha bar Minyumi expressed surprise that whatever Nachum ha'Madi said, the Chachamim retorted 'Nishtaka ha'Davar ve'Lo Nomar'? Which is the one case that we do follow his opinion?

(d) What did Rav Acha bar Minyumi mean when he said that this case was different, because it is supported by Ashli Ravrevi? What does 'Ashli Ravrevi' mean?

(a) How does Rebbi Eliezer interpret the Pasuk in Tehilim "Tefilah le'Ani Ki Ya'atof, ve'Lifnei Hashem Yishpoch Sicho"? What does he learn from there?

(b) And what does Rebbi Yehoshua learn from the Pasuk there "Eshpoch Lefanav Sichi Tzarasi Lefanav Agid"?

(c) How does ...

  1. ... Rebbi Eliezer then interpret the Pasuk "Eshpoch Lefanav Sichi Tzarasi Lefanav Agid"?
  2. ... Rebbi Yehoshua then interpret the Pasuk "Tefilah le'Ani Ki Ya'atof, ve'Lifnei Hashem Yishpoch Sicho"?
(a) We conclude that seeing as neither Pasuk coincides exactly with either opinion, they must be arguing over the D'rashah of Rebbi Simla'i.
What does Rebbi Simla'i Darshen from the Pasuk in Devarim "Hashem Elokim, Atah Hachilosa Lehar'os es Avdecha ... E'ebrah Na Ve'er'eh es ha'Aretz ha'Tovah"?

(b) How do we equate this with Rebbi Yehoshua's opinion?

(c) On what grounds does Rebbi Eliezer disagree with Rebbi Simla'i?

(d) How will this explain Rebbi Eliezer's opinion here?

13) The Chachamim disagree both with Rebbi Eliezer and with Rebbi Yehoshua. When does one Daven for one's own needs, according to them?

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