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Avodah Zarah 16

AVODAH ZARAH 16 - dedicated by Reb Gedalya Weinberger of Brooklyn, N.Y. in memory of his father, Reb Chaim Tzvi ben Reb Shlomo Weinberger. Reb Chaim Tzvi, who miraculously survived the holocaust, raised his children with an intense dedication to the Torah and Gedolei Torah.


(a) Why does Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah permit selling a 'broken' animal to a Nochri?

(b) How did the Rabbanan query him? What might the purchaser do with such an animal, in spite of its wounds?

(c) What did Rebbi Yehudah mean when he answered 'le'che'she'Teiled'?

(d) ben Beseira in our Mishnah permits selling a Nochri a horse.
What reason does he give for this in a Beraisa?

(a) Rebbi however, forbids selling it, both because it is a weapon and because it is a large animal.
What sort of weapon is it used as?

(b) And what does he mean when he gives it the Din of a large animal? What sort of work does it do besides carrying its rider (which is not a Melachah)?

(c) Like whom does Rebbi Yochanan rule?

(a) They asked whether one may sell a Shor shel Petem.
What is a 'Shor shel Petem'?

(b) Why might even ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah (who permits selling a broken animal) concede that selling a Shor shel Petem is forbidden?
  2. ... the Rabbanan (who forbid it) concede that it is permitted?
(c) Rebbi used to have to pay a fattened ox to the Romans on the day of their festival.
He paid four Ribevan (a large sum of money), Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel informs us, to postpone the gift/tax and send it to them a day later, and another four Ribevan to send it to them already Shechted.
What did he achieve with the third Ribevan?

(d) What do we try and prove from here?

(a) How do we dismiss the proof, by referring to the first of the three achievements?

(b) So how do we establish the entire episode? What time-span did it cover?

(c) Finally, we wonder how a fattened ox will be able to work even after it has lost weight.
What did Z'vida the ox-fattener tell Rav Ashi?

(a) What does our Mishnah say about selling Nochrim bears, lions and other dangerous animals?

(b) The Tana also forbids building for them 'Basilki, Gardum, Itztedaya u'Bimah'.
If ...

  1. ... 'Basilki' is a large, high platform which served both as a courtroom (where people would be judged for crimes that carried the death-penalty), and as the place of execution (from which they would then be pushed to their deaths), what is 'Gardum'?
  2. ... 'Itzdedaya' is an arena where people who had been sentenced to death, would be made to fight with wild oxen, what is 'Bimah'?
(c) Our Mishnah goes on to permit building them Bimisi'os and bathhouses. What are 'Bimisi'os'? What is the difference between a 'Bimus' and a 'Mizbei'ach'?

(d) The bathhouses however, were only permitted until they reached the archway.
Why was one then obligated to stop?

(a) Rav Chanin bar Rav Chisda (or Rav Chanan bar Rava) Amar Rav equated the Din of a large Chayah with that of a large Beheimah for Pirchus.
What is the Din of 'Pirchus' with regard to ...
  1. ... a small animal?
  2. ... a large animal?
(b) And what did Rav mean when he added 'Aval Lo li'Mechirah'?

(c) What does Rav Chanin himself hold?

(d) What do we infer from our Mishnah 'Ein Mochrin Lahen Dubin va'Arayos, ve'Chol Davar she'Yesh Bo Nezek la'Rabim' that poses a Kashya on Rav?

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(a) To answer the Kashya against Rav, Rabah bar Ula establishes the inference in our Mishnah (permitting the sale of a tame lion) with regard to a broken one, according to Rebbi Yehudah (who permits the sale of a broken animal). Rav Ashi establishes it even by a healthy lion.
What makes a lion different than a large Beheimah in this regard?

(b) We cite another Beraisa in final support of Rav.
With what does the Tana equate the sale of a large Chayah? Will it make any difference in a place where the Minhag is to sell them small animals?

(c) Ravina presents an apparent contradiction between our Mishnah, which implies that one may sell a Chayah that is not dangerous, to a Nochri, and the Beraisa that we just cited, that expressly prohibits it. How does ...

  1. ... Ravina himself reconcile the two?
  2. ... Rav Ashi reconcile them?
(d) Rav Nachman has a third explanation (see Tosfos DH 'Maskif Lah').
How does he categorize a lion, to answer the discrepancy?
(a) Based on his own previous interpretation of a lion, what does Rav Ashi extrapolate from our Mishnah 'Ein Mochrin Lahem ... Arayos, ve'Chol she'Yesh Bo Nezek le'Rabim', that is a further disproof against Rav Chanan bar Rava?

(b) To demonstrate the sort of Melachah one might do with a large type of Chayah, Abaye cites Mar Yehudah.
What did Mar Yehudah say about bar Yuchni? What sort of work did he used to do with which sort of animal?

(c) Rav Yehudah told Rebbi Zeira that he had heard from a great man 'Chayah Gasah Harei Hi ki'Beheimah Dakah le'Pirchus' (as we learned earlier). He heard it from one of his two Rebbes, but could not recall which. What were their names?

(a) When Rebbi Zeira arrived in Karkunya, he heard Rav Chiya bar Ashi citing this Halachah in the name of Shmuel.
What did he hear from Rabah bar Yirmiyah in Sura?

(b) What did he therefore conclude?

(c) When he arrived in Eretz Yisrael, Rav Asi presented the same Halachah quoting Rav Chama bar Gur'ya in the name of Rav.
How did he query Rav Asi?

(d) Based on Rav Asi's reply, how do we finally present this ruling, beginning with 'Amar Rav Zeira Amar Rav Asi ... '?

(a) Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan lists three Basilki'os. Two of them are 'of kings and of bathhouses'.
What is the third?

(b) To which subsequent statement of Rava does the Pasuk in Tehilim "le'Esor Malcheihem be'Zikim" hint, according to the first Lashon?

(c) In the second Lashon however, all three are permitted.
Why should 'Basilki shel Melachim' be permitted?

(d) How do we reconcile this with our Mishnah 'Ein Bonin Imahen Basilki, Gardum, Itztadyan u'Bimah'?

(a) What was Rebbi Eliezer accused of when he was brought to the Gardum to be judged?

(b) What did the governor say to him?

(c) When Rebbi Eliezer replied 'Ne'eman Alai ha'Dayan', the governor responded with the statement 'Dimus Patur Atah'.
Why did he do that? What does 'Dimus' mean?

(d) What did Rebbi Eliezer really mean?

(a) How did Rebbi Eliezer react when his Talmidim came to comfort him following that painful experience?

(b) What did Rebbi Akiva suggest to Rebbi Eliezer after he had received permission to remind him of something that he himself had once taught them?

(c) Rebbi Eliezer recalled an encounter in the upper market of Tzipori. Who was Ya'akov from the village of S'chanya?

(d) What She'eilah did he ask about the money of an Esnan Zonah?

(a) Rebbi Eliezer did not have an answer.
What had the Miyn been taught to resolve the She'eilah?

(b) What was Rebbi Eliezer's reaction to that?

(c) What did he now ascribe to that reaction?

(d) He claimed to have transgressed the Pasuk in Mishlei. "Harchek me'Alehah Darkech".
If this Pasuk refers to Miynus, what does "ve'Al Tikrav el Pesach Beisah" refer to?

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