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Avodah Zarah 24


(a) When they asked Rebbi Eliezer how far the Mitzvah of Kibud Av va'Eim goes, whom did he cite as an example? Where did he live?

(b) How much did the Chachamim offer him for the onyx stones for the Eifod?

(c) Why did he decline their offer?

(a) To answer the Kashya (from "Ve'yikchu Li Terumah"), we quote the Pasuk "Avnei Shoham".
What does that prove?

(b) Based on the continuation of the Pasuk, why is this answer not acceptable?

(c) Even assuming that it had been, why are we left with a Kashya anyway?
What happened to Dama ben Nesinah the following year?

(d) What was Dama's reaction when the Chachamim approached him to sell them the Parah Adumah?

(a) How will Shilo reconcile this episode (where the Chachamim purchased the Parah Adumah from the Nochri) with the D'rashah "Ve'yikchu Eilecha Parah Adumah"?

(b) In another Beraisa, what did Rebbi Eliezer say to the Chachamim, to counter their proof from the above episode that the Nochri is not suspected of raping his cow?

(c) Then why does Shilo need to come on to the reason of 'Kichah'?

(d) Who is 'Remetz' referred to in this Beraisa?

(a) What does Rava say about a pregnant cow that ...
  1. ... gored a Yisrael and killed him?
  2. ... was raped by a human?
(b) In the first case, why is the cow not sentenced to death?

(c) In any case, of what use would it have been to guard the cow from the moment it was born, since it is possible that its mother was raped after it became pregnant with the current Parah Adumah.
How do we therefore re-establish the case?

(a) We learned in a Mishnah in Temurah 'Kol ha'Pesulin le'Gabei Mizbe'ach, V'ladoseihen Mutarin'.
What does Rebbi Eliezer say in a Beraisa?

(b) We ask why we do not nevertheless suspect that perhaps the mother was raped when it was still Chulin. This is not a Kashya according to Rava Amar Rav Nachman.
Why is that? How does he establish the Machlokes Tana'im?

(c) How will Rav Huna bar Chinena Amar Rav Nachman, who establishes the Machlokes when the mother was raped when it was still Chulin, establish the case?

(d) Why do we not suspect that perhaps the mother's mother was raped?

(a) In the case under discussion, we just learned that the cow had been under surveillance from the moment it became pregnant.
How did they know that it might give birth to a potential Parah Adumah?

(b) If it was so easy to breed red cows, why was a Parah Adumah so expensive?

(c) Why did they choose particularly that cow? Why could they not do the same with a cow belonging to a Yisrael?

(a) Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha were sitting in the latter's porch. When one of them cited Rebbi Eliezer, who disqualified animals that had been raped from being brought as any Korban, the other one asked him what the Chachamim had to say about that.
What did he answer?

(b) And how did Rebbi Eliezer counter that (based on a Pasuk in Tzefanyah cited by Rav Yosef)?

(c) Rav Yosef added the Pasuk there "Le'avdo Sh'chem Echad" to his explanation.
What does it prove?

(d) Why did he need to add this Pasuk? On what grounds did Abaye query Rebbi Eliezer's proof from the first Pasuk?

(a) The above is Rav Papa's version of the above episode. According to Rav Z'vid, both Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha cited the initial dialogue between Rebbi Eliezer and the Chachamim.
Who asked the final question ('ve'Dilma me'Avodas-Kochavim Hu de'Hadri Behu'?)?

(b) And who answered ("Le'avdo Sh'chem Echad K'siv")?

(c) According to Rebbi Eliezer, why was Moshe not afraid that the animals that he demanded from Paroh and those that Yisro later brought had been raped?

(d) How will those who learn that Yisro came after Matan Torah resolve this problem?

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(a) How will Rebbi Eliezer interpret the "Meitav ha'Tzon" that Shaul allowed the people who had captured from the Amalekim, to sacrifice?

(b) Why did they then specifically bring back "Meitav" (seeing as they did not actually sacrifice them anyway)?

(c) And how could David sacrifice the animals that Aravnah donated?

(d) What did he do with the wooden accessories that Aravnah added to the donation?

(a) Ula describes the "Morigin" among the accessories donated by Aravnah as 'Mitah shel Turbil', which is synonymous with 'Iza de'Kurkesa de'Dayshan'.
What does this mean?

(b) What does Rav Yosef prove from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Hinei Samtich le'Morag ... Tadush Harim ve'Taduk, u'Geva'os ka'Motz Tasim"?

(c) Which cows did the men of Beis-Shemesh sacrifice on the Bamah?

(d) According to Rebbi Eliezer, how could the men of Beis-Shemesh have been permitted to sacrifice the cows.
How did they know that they had not been raped?

(a) How do we try to corroborate this answer with the fact that they brought them as Olos (burnt-offerings)?

(b) We reject this proof however, with a statement by Rav Ada bar Ahavah.
What does Rav Ada bar Ahavah say about a Bamas Yachid?

(c) And he cites Shmuel ha'Navi, in connection with whom the Pasuk writes "Va'yikach Shmuel T'le Chalav Echad Va'ya'alehu le'Olah".
From where does he know that it was a female lamb that Shmuel sacrificed?

(d) And how does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak explain the word "Va'ya'alehu", which suggests that it was a male?

(a) What distinction does Rebbi Yochanan draw between a cow that is three years old and one that is less?

(b) How will Rebbi Yochanan establish ...

  1. ... the Beraisa which permits purchasing an animal for a Korban that we have been discussing?
  2. ... all the cases (regarding the animals of Paroh and Yisro ... ) that we just cited?
(a) Why will establishing the case of the cows that the men of Beis-Shemesh sacrificed, by cows that were less than three years old, constitute solving one problem, but creating another? Based on the Mishnah in Bechoros, what problem does Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Nasan point out?

(b) What does the Tana say there about a purchased cow or donkey that gives birth to a male baby, assuming they are ...

  1. ... three years old?
  2. ... more than three?
(c) What is the Din of a 'Safek Bechor' of ...
  1. ... a cow?
  2. ... a donkey?
(d) So how will Rebbi Yochanan establish the case of the cows that the men of Beis-Shemesh sacrificed, (according to Rebbi Eliezer)?
(a) Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Rebbi Meir translates "Va'yisharnah ha'Paros" as 'And the cows sang'. Rav Zutra bar Tuvya Amar Rav agrees with him.
What does he say about the direction which they faced as they sang?

(b) According to Rebbi Yochanan Amar Rebbi Meir, they sang "Az Yashir Moshe".
Why is that?

(c) Rebbi Yochanan himself maintains that they sang the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Va'amartem, ba'Yom ha'Hu Hodu la'Hashem Kir'u vi'Shemo ... ", whereas according to Resh Lakish, they sang the Parshah in Tehilim "Mizmor, Shiru la'Hashem Shir Chadash, Ki Nifla'os Asah Hoshi'ah Lo Yemino ... ".
Why does he refer to it as 'Mizmor Yasma'?

(a) Rebbi Elazar maintains that they sang the Parshah in Tehilim "Hashem Malach Yirgezu Amim".
Why does he refer to the nations trembling?

(b) Which "Hashem Malach" (also in Tehilim) did they sing, according to Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmeni?

(c) According to Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha, they sang 'Roni Roni ha'Shitah (Sing to Hashem, sing to Hashem o Aron [made of acacia wood]), Hisnofefi be'Rov Hadrach (exalt Him in your great glory)'.
What is the meaning of ...

  1. ... "ha'Mechushekes be'Rikmei Zahav"?
  2. ... ha'Mehulalah bi'Devir Armon"?
  3. ... u'Mefu'arah ba'Adi Adayim"?
(d) In the opinion of Rav Ashi, this is what was said when Moshe would announce "Kumah Hashem Ve'yafutzu Oyvecha" (whenever Yisrael were about to move camp).
Who would then say it?
16) What did the Persians call ...
  1. ... D'vir, based on the Pasuk in Yehoshua "ve'Shem D'vir Lefanim Kiryas Sefer"?
  2. ... Disht'na, based on the Pasuk in Vayishlach "Ki Derech Nashim Li"?
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