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Avodah Zarah 28

AVODAH ZARAH 28 (8 Nisan) - dedicated by Dovid and Zahava Rubner of Petach Tikva, l'Iluy Nishmas his mother, Mrs. Seren Rubner. May the light of the Torah shine in their home and the homes of their children, bringing them joy and success in all their endeavors!


(a) What does Rabah bar bar Chanah say about a wound which may be cured on Shabbos, with regard to using the services of a Nochri?

(b) What can we infer from there with regard to allowing Nochrim to cure the wound made by a Jewish bloodletter?

(c) According to the second Lashon, Rebbi Yochanan was referring to a 'Makah shel Chalal'.
What is a 'Makah shel Chalal'?

(a) What is the difference between the two Leshonos?

(b) This is based on a statement by Rav Ada bar Masna Amar Rav.
What did he say with regard to a wound on the back of the hand or the back of the foot?

(c) What is the reason for this distinction?

(a) What does Rav Zutra bar Tuvyah say about any wound that is serious enough to require assessment as to whether one will live or not?

(b) Rav Sh'man bar Ada quotes Rebbi Yochanan that any internal wound does not require assessment. What does he say about a high fever?

(c) We already learned that any internal illness is subject to Chillul Shabbos.
According to Rebbi Ami, from which point does 'internal' begin?

(d) Why does Rebbi Elazar ask a She'eilah about teeth? Why might they not be subject to Chillul Shabbos, even though they are technically 'internal'?

(a) What does the Beraisa say about someone who is 'Choshesh be'Shinav be'Shabbos'?

(b) What does Abaye attempt to extrapolate from the Lashon 'Choshesh ... '?

(c) How do we counter that proof?

(d) Rebbi Yochanan suffered from thrush.
What did a certain aristocratic woman do for him? How many days did she administer the cure?

(a) What did the woman reply, when Rebbi Yochanan asked her what to do ...
  1. ... should the thrush return on Shabbos?
  2. ... just in case it did?
(b) On what justification did Rebbi Yochanan subsequently reveal the cure to the people, despite having sworn that he would not?

(c) Why did this not constitute Chilul Hashem? In which case would it have done so?

(d) Why is there no proof from the fact that thrush requires treatment on Shabbos, that toothache is indeed considered an internal illness in this regard?

(a) What are the symptoms of thrush?

(b) Its cause might be either a wheat dish or a barley dish.
What is the difference between the way one eats them?

(c) What else might cause it?

(d) According to Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava, the cure for thrush is a mixture of barley-water, olive-oil and salt. According to Mar bar Rav Ashi, it is duck-oil applied to the teeth with a duck's feather.
What did Abaye have to say about these cures?

(e) Eventually, an Arab gave him a cure that worked, consisting of date-pits that had not grown a third.
How was it prepared? How was it applied?

(a) How do we initially reconcile Rebbi Yochanan who just allowed the aristocratic Nochris to cure his thrush, with his earlier ruling forbidding being cured by a Nochri, of an illness that is life-threatening?

(b) What happened to Rebbi Avahu (who was important too), when Ya'akov Miyna'ah administered him a potion? What did Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Asi do to save him? What do we see from there?

(c) Then how do we try to explain Rebbi Yochanan?

(d) We reject this explanation however, on the grounds that Ya'akov Miyna'ah ought not to have then tried to kill Rebbi Avahu. So we revert to the first answer.
How do we then explain the fact Ya'akov Miyna'ah tried to kill Rebbi Avahu? Why was Rebbi Avahu different?

(a) What does Shmuel say about a sword-wound?

(b) To stop the bleeding, one needs to take cress (see also Tosfos DH 'Tichli').
With what does one mix them?

(c) To cure the wound, one requires the roots of a Yivli plant and a bush. What does one do with them?

(d) The alternative cure is worms.
From where does one take them?

(a) Ulcers, says Rav Safra, are life-threatening, too. The cure, he says is the rue plant ground with honey or wild celery ground in a certain type of old wine.
What does one roll over the wound in the interim? What does 'bas Miyna' mean?

(b) What distinction does one draw between white ulcers and black ones?

(c) According to Rav, what is the cause of a boil?

(d) What does one do to be cured of it after flicking one's finger on it sixty times?

(e) What if its tip has turned white?

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(a) When Rebbi Ya'akov suffered from pain in the orifice of the anus, Rebbi Ami or Rebbi Asi instructed him what to do. Rebbi Yochanan instructed Rebbi Avahu what to do, when he suffered from ear-ache.
How did Abaye describe the cure for ear-ache?

(b) All beverages are bad for the ears except for one, said Rava quoting Dr. Minyumi.
Which one?

(c) Besides taking the prescribed cures for ear-ache, what should one take care to do?

(d) What do we say about the wet and the dry cures for the ears mentioned in the Sugya? When does one apply each one?

(a) Rebbi Chanina permits raising ears that drop on Shabbos. The Beraisa cited by Rav Shmuel bar Yehudah permits doing this with one's hands, but not using ointment.
What is the reason for this?

(b) What do others say? What is their reason?

(a) Rav Zutra bar Tuvya Amar Rav permits painting an eye that is threatening to fall out on Shabbos.
How did Rav Zutra qualify this ruling? Under which circumstances is it permitted, and under which circumstances is it forbidden?

(b) What made him take this stringent view?

(c) What did Rebbi Ya'akov quote Rav Yehudah as saying?

(a) What did Rav Shmuel bar Yehudah comment, when Rav Yehudah allowed painting an eye that hurts on Shabbos?

(b) What made his objection particularly unjustifiable?

(c) What did Rav Yehudah rule, when Rav Shmuel's eye hurt him on Shabbos and he asked him whether he was permitted to paint it?

(d) What happened to a maidservant in Shmuel's household, that caused Shmuel to issue his ruling permitting the painting of one's eyes on Shabbos?

(a) On what basis did Shmuel permit painting a painful eye on Shabbos? Was it because of the danger to the eye?

(b) Rav Yehudah establishes Shmuel's ruling by eye-gum oozing from the eye, stabbing pains, blood, tears and inflammation.
Under which circumstances are even these forbidden?

(c) For what purpose may one never paint one's eyes on Shabbos?

(a) What does Rav Yehudah say about a bee-sting, a splinter, a boil, an eye-ache and fever? What do they all have in common?

(b) A radish, he says, is good for a fever, and spinach for someone who is freezing.
Why is that?

(c) If ...

  1. ... a hot salve is good for a scorpion bite, what is a cold salve good for?
  2. ... hot water is good for a splinter (though not a hot bath, as we learned earlier), what is cold water good for?
  3. ... vinegar is good for a shoulder from which blood has ben let, what are small fish good for?
(d) In all of the above pairs, what does Rav Yehudah say about switching them round?
(a) What should a person not do after eating cress, when he has a fever or when his eyes are hurting him?

(b) And what does Rav Yehudah finally say about ...

  1. ... letting blood a day after eating fish or vice-versa?
  2. ... eating fish on the third day after letting blood?
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