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Avodah Zarah 68

AVODAH ZARAH 68 (Lag ba'Omer) - Today's Daf has been dedicated by Marcello Trebitsch, who prays that the merit of our Torah study during the celebration of Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai's Yahrzeit should bring Parnasah, Yeshu'ah, Refu'ah, Shiduchim etc. to all who need, and that we may merit the coming of Mashi'ach speedily in our days!


(a) According to Ula, the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Shimon (regarding 'Nosen 'Ta'am li'Fegam') is confined to where the food first improved, before becoming spoiled.
What would they then say in a case where the stew became spoiled immediately?

(b) What do Rebbi Meir (the Tana Kama of the Beraisa) and Rebbi Shimon, respectively, in respect of a case where wine fell into a lentil stew and vinegar into G'risin?

(c) How does Rav Chaga query Ula from there?

(d) Ula accused Rav Chaga of not understanding the Beraisa.
How did he establish it?

(a) Rebbi Yochanan disagrees with Ula. According to him, Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Shimon argue by 'Pogem Me'ikara'.
What She'eilah do we now ask according to Rebbi Yochanan? What are the two ways of explaining what he did not say?

(b) How do we resolve this She'eilah?

(c) What did Rav Amram declare about the statement of Rebbi Yochanan?

(a) What does the Tana Kama in the Mishnah in Orlah say about a case where first a Chulin yeast and then a yeast of Terumah or of K'lai ha'Kerem, fall into a Chulin dough? What do the two doughs have in common?

(b) What does Rebbi Shimon say? Why is that?

(c) What does Rav Amram try to prove from here?

(d) How does Rebbi Zeira refute Rav Amram's proof? What makes doughs different?

(a) So we cite another Beraisa.
What does the Tana Kama say in a case where a yeast of Terumah falls into a Chulin dough together with a Chulin yeast (both of which could have caused the dough to rise)?

(b) What does Rebbi Shimon say?

(c) What does the Tana Kama say in a case where the ...

  1. ... Terumah yeast fell into the dough first?
  2. ... the Chulin yeast fell into the dough first?
(d) What does Rebbi Shimon say in the last two cases?
(a) We can obviously explain the Seifa (which is a clear case of 'Pogem Me'ikara', yet they argue) like Rebbi Zeira.
So why are we citing this Beraisa?

(b) What do the Tana Kama and Rebbi Shimon respectively say in the Seifa, in a case where wine fell into a lentil stew or vinegar into G'risin?

(c) How might we attempt to answer the Kashya on Ula from this case, which appears to be 'Pogem Me'ikara', yet Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Shimon argue?

(d) How do we finally reject Ula's opinion from the middle case of Terumah (where the Terumah yeast fell into the Chulin dough first)?

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(a) Our current Beraisa presented three cases (when the Terumah and Chulin yeasts fell into the Chulin dough simultaneously, when the Terumah yeast fell in first, and when Isur wine fell into lentils.
What is the Chidush in ...
  1. ... the last case?
  2. ... the middle case?
(b) What problem do we have with the Tana's insertion of the first case?

(c) Abaye solves the problem by establishing the Chidush according to Rebi Shimon.
What did the Rabbanan say to Rebbi Shimon?

(d) What was his reply?

(a) Why does Rebbi Shimon not forbid the dough anyway, because of the principle 'Heter Mitztaref le'Isur' (the Heter combines with the Isur, making it a case of 'Mashbi'ach ve'li'be'Sof Pogem', even according to him?

(b) This is based on a Mishnah in Orlah.
What does the Tana Kama in the Mishnah in Orlah say about half a Shiur of Orlah plus half a Shiur of K'lai ha'Kerem which fall into Heter?

(c) What is the Shiur of Orlah and Kil'ayim?

(d) What does Rebbi Shimon say?

(a) What did Rav rule in a case where a mouse fell into barrel of beer?

(b) What problem did the Rabbanan have with this ruling? What does he assume that Rav held?

(c) In fact, Rav Sheishes told them, Rav holds 'Nosen Ta'am li'Fegam Mutar'. Then why did he forbid the beer ?

(d) If the Din of Sheretz is a Chidush, the Rabbanan ask Rav Sheishes, it ought to render the one who touches it Tamei, even when it is dry.
What in fact, does the Mishnah in Nidah say about this?

(a) Rav Sheishes countered by citing the same Mishnah with regard to Shichvas-Zera (semen).
What does the Mishnah say about dry Shichvas-Zera?

(b) So he concludes that Tum'ah is different.
What does he mean by that?

(c) How does he infer this from the very word 'Shichvas-Zera'?

(d) And he rounds off his D'rashah by citing the word "be'Mosam" (in connection with Sheratzim).
What does he learn from there?

(a) How did Rav Shimi from Neherda'a query the entire concept that an 'Achbar' is disgusting (even to Nochrim)?

(b) He himself resolved the problem however, by differentiating between two kinds of 'Achbar'.
Which two kinds?

(c) Which kind then, appears on the table of kings? What is it called?

(d) Rava finally rules that 'Nosen Ta'am li'Fegam Mutar'. He is in two minds however, about Rav's stringent ruling with regard to the mouse in the barrel of beer. It might have been because he holds 'Nosen Ta'am li'Fegam Asur', in which case the Halachah is not like him.
What other reason does he give to explain Rav?

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