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Avodah Zarah 69

AVODAH ZARAH 69-71 - Three Dafim have been sponsored through the generous grant of an anonymous donor in Flatbush, NY.


(a) We ask what the Din will be if a mouse falls into a barrel of vinegar.
Why might the Din there be more lenient than the one in the previous case (where it fell into a barrel of wine)?

(b) Rav Hillel cited such a case that occurred by Rav Kahana, who forbade it.
What did Rav Ashi retort? Why was that case different?

(c) What is the smallest Shi'ur of Sheretz for which one would be Chayav Malkos?

(a) Ravina thought to measure the mouse in a hundred and one equivalent amounts of vinegar.
What is the source of that Shiur?

(b) Rav Tachlifa bar Giza countered Ravina's suggestion that perhaps we ought to compare it to spices of Terumah that fell into a pot.
What did he mean by that?

(c) Rav Achai measured a mouse in fifty measures of beer.
Why was he so lenient?

(d) Rav Shmuel b'rei de'Rav Ika measured the mouse in sixty measures of beer.
What do we finally rule? What do we mean when we say 'Idi ve'Idi be'Shishim'?

(a) How do we qualify this ruling? When will even a Mashehu (the smallest amount) of Isur render the mixture Asur?

(b) Which is the only Isur that is not Bateil be'Shishim?

(c) Why is that?

(a) What does our Mishnah say about a Nochri who is transporting barrels of wine on behalf of a Yisrael, assuming they are 'be'Chezkas ha'Mishtamer'. How does the Beraisa explain 'be'Chezkas ha'Mishtamer' ?

(b) In the event that the Yisrael informed the Nochri that he was going way ahead, the Shiur for the wine to become Asur is 'Kedei she'Yistom ve'Yistom ve'Yigov'.
What does this mean?

(c) Raban Shimon ben Gamliel is more lenient.
What Shiur does he give?

(d) Why does he disagree with the Tana Kama?

(a) The Mishnah repeats the same Machlokes two more times. In the Reisha of the first case, the Yisrael leaves the barrel of wine with the Nochri in a wagon or in a ship, whilst he goes 'be'Kapendarya'.
What is a 'Kapendarya'? What does the Tana describe him as doing when he arrives in town?

(b) In the second case, he leaves the barrel of wine in the store with the Nochri.
Under which circumstances will the wine be permitted?

(a) The Seifa of the Mishnah discusses a case where the Yisrael invites the Nochri to eat by him, and exits in the middle of the meal, leaving the Nochri alone in the room.
What does the Tana rule, with regard to the jar of wine that the Yisrael left ...
  1. ... on the table?
  2. ... on the top of a cupboard?
(b) Why the difference?

(c) What would the Din be if, before leaving the room, the Yisrael instructed the Nochri to help himself to a drink?

(d) The Tana finally forbids all the open barrels in the room.
What does he say about the closed barrels?

(a) What does the Beraisa say about a case where someone's donkey drivers or workers were transporting his Taharos, and he went ahead by as much as a Mil?

(b) In the Seifa however, the Tana rules that as soon as he is out of sight, his Taharos become Tamei.
In what way is the case different from the Reisha?

(c) How does Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha establish the Reisha to explain the difference between the Reisha and the Seifa?

(d) Why are we forced to say this? Why will the fact that the owner did not go far away not suffice?

(a) Then why can we not say the same in the Seifa?

(b) This fear does not apply in the Reisha, Rava explains, because they are afraid that the owner will return from a different angle and catch them allowing their friends to touch the Taharos.
Why are they not afraid of the same thing in the Seifa?

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(a) Having taught us the Halachah of ...
  1. ... 'Yotzei ve'Nichnas' in the case of 'ha'Meni'ach Akum ba'Chanuso', why does the Tana find it necessary to add that of 'Kapendarya' in the case of 'ha'Meni'ach Yeino be'Karon O bi'Sefinah'?
  2. ... 'Kapendarya' in the case of 'ha'Meni'ach Yeino be'Karon O bi'Sefinah', why does the Tana find it necessary to add that of 'Yotzei ve'Nichnas' in the case of 'ha'Meni'ach Akum ba'Chanuso'?
(b) How does Rabah bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan qualify the Machlokes between Raban Shimon ben Gamliel and the Chachamim? In which case will the Chachamim concede that the Shiur is 'she'Yiftach, ve'Yigof ve'Yigov'?

(c) What did Raban Shimon ben Gamliel ask on the Chachamim in a Beraisa, about the sealing up of the hole? How did he discount any reason to give the Shiur as 'K'dei she'Yistom ve'Yistom ve'Yigov'?

(d) Why does this pose a Kashya on Rebbi Yochanan?

(a) And we answer that Raban Shimon ben Gamliel was not sure what the Chachamim were saying.
What was his point of doubt?

(b) So what did he tell them?

(c) In the case of a lid of cement, in what way would the seal be discernible on the inside more than on the outside?

(d) How did the Chachamim counter that?

(a) On what grounds does Rava rule like Raban Shimon ben Gamliel?

(b) Why does Rava need to teach us that the Seifa is a S'tam Mishnah like Raban Shimon ben Gamliel? Why is it not obvious?

(a) What do we mean when we rule like Rebbi Eliezer regarding 'Ziyufa'?

(b) Whose opinion does this come to preclude?

(c) Then in which point do we rule like Raban Shimon ben Gamliel?

(d) In view of these two rulings, why do we not trust Nochrim with our barrels of wine nowadays?

(a) On what grounds does Rava permit an open jar of wine belonging to Yisre'elim who are sitting at table with a Nochri Zonah?

(b) Why, in the reverse case, where the wine belongs to a Zonah Yisre'elis who is sitting with Nochrim at table, does he then forbid the wine?

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