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Previous daf Bava Basra 14
BAVA BASRA 14 & 15 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz
Torah in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
1) BINDING SEFORIM (cont.)
(a) Contradiction (Beraisa): He attaches enough extra
parchment at each end to wrap it around.
2) THE PROPER SIZE OF A SEFER TORAH
1. Question: To wrap around what?
(b) Answer #1 (to the contradiction and the question - Rav
Nachman bar Yitzchak): He leaves what is needed at each
i. If to wrap around the pole - but one end
requires enough to cover the outermost
ii. If to cover the outermost parchment - but one
end requires only enough to wrap around the
1. At one end, enough to wrap around the pole; at the
other, to cover the outermost parchment.
(c) Answer #2 (Rav Ashi): This Beraisa refers to a Sefer
1. (Beraisa): Other Seforim are wound (on one pole)
from the beginning to the end (some explain, from
the end to the beginning); regarding a Sefer Torah,
we leave it (open) in the middle, and wrap from
poles at both ends.
2. R. Eliezer bar Tzadok says, this is how scribes in
Yerushalayim used to write Seforim.
(a) (Beraisa): The height of a Sefer Torah should
(l'Chatchilah) equal its circumference when rolled.
(b) Question: How big should it be?
(c) Answer (Rebbi): If writing on Gevil (untanned hide), six
Tefachim; if using Klaf, (the part of the hide closer to
the hair when the hide is cut into two layers, it is
thinner than Gevil) I do not know.
(d) Rav Huna wrote 70 Sifrei Torah, only for one of them the
height equaled its circumference.
(e) Rav Acha bar Yakov wrote one Sefer Torah on a calf's
hide, the height equaled the circumference;
1. Rabanan were envious and Rav Acha died.
(f) Rabanan: R. Ami wrote 400 Sifrei Torah.
1. Rav Hamnuna: Perhaps he wrote "Torah Tzivah Lanu
(g) Rabanan: R. Ami planted 400 vineyards.
(h) Rav Hamnuna: Perhaps each was (a minimal vineyard,) two
rows of two trees, and a fifth tree in back.
(i) Question (Beraisa - R. Meir): The Aron Moshe made was two
and a half Amos in length, its width and height were both
one and a half Amos, based on an Amah of six Tefachim;
1. The length and width of each of the Luchos (Tablets)
was six Tefachim, each was three Tefachim thick;
they were placed next to the Sefer Torah.
(j) R. Yehudah says, the dimensions of the Aron are based on
an Amah of five Tefachim;
2. Together, they occupied 12 Tefachim; of the
remaining three Tefachim of the Aron's length, the
(thickness of the) walls of the Aron occupied one
Tefach (half a Tefach each),
3. The (width of the) Sefer Torah fit in the remaining
two Tefachim - "Ein ba'Aron Rak..."
i. 'Ein' and 'Rak' are two exclusions, two
exclusions come to include;
4. The width of the Luchos occupied 6 Tefachim; the
walls of the Aron occupied one Tefach;
ii. We include the Sefer Torah.
i. Another two Tefachim remained, in order that
the Torah (whose length was to the Aron's
width) could be removed and put back easily.
1. The Luchos occupied 12 Tefachim of the Aron's
length, the walls of the Aron occupied the remaining
half Tefach (a quarter Tefach each);
2. The width of the Luchos occupied 6 Tefachim, the
walls of the Aron half a Tefach; in the remaining
Tefach were silver poles - "Amudav Asah Chesef";
3. The chest that the Plishtim sent when they returned
the Aron was next to the Aron - "Va'Argaz mi'Tzido".
i. The Sefer Torah rested on the chest, next to
the Aron, not inside - "V'Samtem Oso mi'Tzad
4. The exclusions 'Ein' and 'Rak' come to include the
fragments of the broken Luchos.
3) WHERE THE TORAH AND LUCHOS WERE KEPT
5. Summation of question: If the circumference of the
Sefer Torah is six Tefachim, the width is (a third
of the circumference,) two Tefachim;
(k) Answer: The Sefer Torah in the Aron (only had one pole
and) was rolled to the beginning.
i. Since we roll a Sefer Torah from both ends, the
width is even more - how can it fit in two
Tefachim (according to R. Meir)?
(l) Question: Still, if its width is exactly two Tefachim, it
does not fit properly in two Tefachim!
(m) Answer (Rav Ashi): A small amount of parchment was left
unrolled (so the width of the rolled part was less than
two), it rested above the Torah.
(a) Question: According to R. Yehudah, where was the Sefer
Torah before the Plishtim gave the chest?
4) THE ORDER OF THE PROPHETS AND KESUVIM
(b) Answer: It rested on a plank protruding from the Aron.
(c) Question: What does R. Meir learn from "V'Samtem Oso
(d) Answer: It teaches that the Torah is between the Luchos
and the wall of the Aron, not between the two Luchos.
(e) Question: According to R. Meir, where were the silver
(f) Answer: Outside the Aron.
(g) Question: What is R. Meir's source that the broken Luchos
were in the Aron?
(h) Answer #1: He learns like Rav Huna.
1. (Rav Huna): "Shem/ Shem" - this teaches that the
Luchos and the broken Luchos were in the Aron.
(i) Objection: R. Meir must also learn this from the verse!
2. R. Yehudah learns R. Yochanan's law from this verse.
i. (R. Yochanan): This teaches that Hash-m's
(primary) name and the other names that denote
Him were in the Aron.
(j) Answer #2: He learns like Rav Yosef.
1. (Rav Yosef): "Asher Shibarta V'Samtam ba'Aron" -
this teaches that the Luchos and the broken Luchos
were in the Aron.
2. R. Yehudah expounds this like Reish Lakish.
i. (Reish Lakish): "Asher Shibarta" - Hash-m
praised Moshe for breaking the Luchos.
(a) (Beraisa): The order of the prophets is Yehoshua,
Shoftim, Shmuel, Melachim, Yirmeyah, Yechezkeil,
Yeshayah, and the 12.
(b) Question: Hoshe'a prophesized before Yeshayah, his Sefer
should precede Yeshayah!
1. Question: "Techilas Diber Hash-m b'Hoshe'a" - there
were many prophets between Moshe and Hoshe'a!
(c) Answer: Since Hoshe'a is among the 12, which includes
Chagai, Zecharyah and Malachi (the last prophets), it
2. Answer (R. Yochanan): He was the first of four
prophets that prophesized in his time: Hoshe'a,
Yeshayah, Amos and Michah.
(d) Suggestion: It should be written by itself before
(e) Rejection: Since it is small, it might get lost.
(f) Question: Yeshayah preceded Yirmeyah and Yechezkeil, his
Sefer should precede theirs!
(g) Answer: The end of Melachim speaks of the Churban, all of
(Sefer) Yirmeyah speaks of Churban, Yechezkeil begins
with Churban and ends with consolation, all of Yeshayah
speaks of consolation;
1. These prophets are ordered such that the beginning
of each Sefer matches the end of the previous one.
(h) The order of the Kesuvim is Rus, Tehilim, Iyov, Mishlei,
Koheles, Shir ha'Shirim, Eichah, Daniel, Megilas Esther,
Ezra and Divrei ha'Yamim.
(i) Question: According to the opinion that Iyov lived in
Moshe's time, Iyov should be first!
(j) Answer: We do not begin with punishments.
(k) Question: We begin with Rus, which speaks of punishments!
(l) Answer: Its punishments have a good end.
1. (R. Yochanan): She is called Rus, because her
descendant (David) satiated (Rivahu) Hash-m with
songs and praises.