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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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1) ANOTHER FRAUDULENT SALE
(a) R. Ami invalidated the sale where the buyer had sought
fertilized eggs and the seller supplied unfertilized
eggs (which cannot reproduce).
2) INTERPRETING RAV'S ENIGMATIC STATEMENT ABOUT EGGS (resumed)
(b) Question: That seems obvious!?
(c) Answer: We might have obligated the seller only to
compensate the buyer for the lower value of the
unfertilized eggs under the claim that the buyer could
have been understood as requesting (richer) eggs for
eating, not eggs for reproducing.
(a) Rav's statement (that an egg is completed upon exit) is
alluding to the teaching of R. Yochanan that once an
egg partially emerges it is permitted, even if it
withdrew into the chicken and was only laid on YomTov.
3) COMPLETED EGGS FOUND IN A SLAUGHTERED CHICKEN
(b) Alternately, Rav's statement is disputing R. Yochanan.
(a) (Tana Kama) These eggs may be eaten with milk.
4) OFFSPRING ARE BORN WHEN THE PARENTS COHABIT
(b) (R. Yakov) If sinews connect the eggs, they are viewed
as meat and may not be eaten with milk.
(c) Question: Who taught the statement that one who eats
from the clusters of eggs (Shalal) in the chicken is
Tahor (not considered to have swallowed meat)?
(d) Answer (R. Yosef): It could not be R. Yakov, since that
would be inconsistent with his ruling that eggs
connected with sinews are considered meat.
(e) Question (Abaye): Perhaps Chazal only were stringent
regarding the Isur of Basar b'Chalav but not regarding
1. Question: Why should they not have decreed
2. Answer: Such a Gezeirah would unduly increase the
quantity of Tumah d'Rabanan in the world (causing
an unnecessary loss to Taharos).
3. Alternate Answer: Perhaps the eggs to which R.
Yakov referred are the Eshkol (which the Beraisa
forbids) and the Shalal are nearly completed eggs.
4. Following this approach we construct the above
steps as follows:
5. Question: Who taught that one who eats Eshkol of
eggs is Tamei?
6. Answer (R. Yosef): It is R. Yakov who taught...
7. Question (Abaye): Perhaps Eshkol does not refer to
the eggs, but to the Eshkol itself!
i. Question: What would be the news that the
Eshkol itself creates Tumah!?
ii. Answer: We might not have ruled them Tamei,
like other generally non-eaten parts of the
(a) (Beraisa) Day and/or night, offspring are born at the
time of day when the parents cohabit (as enumerated).
(b) Question: What Halachic difference does it make that
roosters cohabit and are born by day?
(c) Answer: We may use this information to permit an egg
which is found before Alos on YomTov (it must have been
laid before Shekiah on Erev YomTov).
(d) Question: How could R. Mari have ruled this way given
that the person *checked* the nest before YomTov!?
(e) Answer: We may assume that he didn't check thoroughly.
(f) Answer: The egg had emerged and withdrawn, and could
then have been re-laid at night (relying on R. Yochanan
that once the majority has emerged the egg is
(g) Question: But R. Yosi b. Shaul citing Rav ruled that
once he checked, an egg found in the pre-dawn of YomTov
(h) Answer: Rav was speaking about an unfertilized egg,
where no cohabitation was involved (which could be laid
1. Question: Then how could R. Mari be certain and
permit the egg, why not suspect that it was
2. Answer: The case was where a male was present.
3. Question: But that does not prove that the egg was
produced from their union!?
4. Answer: A tradition teaches that chickens will not
lay unfertilized eggs if a male is present.
5. Question: At what distance is he considered
5) ANOTHER TEACHING OF R. YOSI B. SHAUL CITING RAV
6. Answer (R. Gamda citing Rav): So long as his voice
can be heard by day.
(i) Question: Then Rav should prohibit the egg (which could
have been laid day or night) even if one had *not*
checked before YomTov!?
7. R. Mari permitted an egg based on the presence of
a male 60 houses away.
8. An intervening river nullifies the effect of a
9. A bridge nullifies the effect of a river.
10. A very thin bridge does not count.
(j) Answer: Had he not checked we would (rely on the
majority and) permit the egg as having been laid by
(k) Question: Then we should assume that it had emerged and
withdrawn and permit it even when he did check (like R.
(l) Answer: R. Yochanan's case (the majority of an egg
emerging and the withdrawing) is unlikely.
(a) Tuma Shechika (pulverized garlic) must be treated as a
6) BEIS SHAMAI RULE THAT SEOR AND CHAMETZ HAVE DIFFERENT
SHIURIM (KEZAYIS AND KAKOSEVES)
(b) If left uncovered, it is dangerous.
(a) Question: What is their rationale?
7) ONE WHO SLAUGHTERS ON YOMTOV
(b) Answer: The fact that each is mentioned separately.
(c) Question: How will Beis Hillel understand the separate
(d) Answer: From each I would not have inferred the other.
1. Seor is stronger than Chametz and we might have
been lenient by Chametz had only Seor appeared.
(e) Question: What will Beis Shamai do with R. Zeira's
insight that Seor and Chametz are the same?
2. Chametz is edible and I might have been lenient
regarding the non-edible Seor.
(f) Answer: All agree that they are the same regarding the
amount eaten, but not regarding the amount require
destruction (Beis Hillel does and Beis Shamai does not
learn Bi'ur from Achilah).
(g) This Machlokes regarding seeing Chametz is supported by
R. Yosi b. Chanina and confirmed by the Beraisa.
(a) Question: The Reishah and the Seifah provide
contradictory implications regarding Beis Shamai.
1. HaShochet infers that slaughtering is only
b'di'Eved on YomTov, but l'Chatchilah, without
earth, one should not slaughter on YomTov.
(b) Answer: Beis Hillel mean to argue and teach that
b'di'Eved one should not fulfill the Mitzvah of Kisui,
but that all agree that one should not slaughter
2. By saying that one should not slaughter, Beis
Hillel leads us to believe that Beis Shamai
permits one to slaughter even l'Chatchilah!?
(c) Question: But the Seifah implies that only there Beis
Hillel spoke about b'di'Eved, not earlier!?
(d) Answer (Rabah): The Mishnah is indeed l'Chatchilah (not
as implied by HaShochet), teaching one who is ruling
the Halachah to tell the person asking:
1. (Beis Shamai) to slaughter, dig and cover;
(e) Answer (R. Yosef): The would-be Shochet is told
(according to Beis Shamai) to dig before the Shechitah.
2. (Beis Hillel) not to slaughter without ready
(f) Question (Abaye): Are R. Yosef and Rabah arguing over
the teaching of R. Zeira citing Rav?
1. (R. Zeira citing Rav) One must place earth below
and above the blood (proof text as analyzed).
(g) Answer (R. Yosef): All agree to R. Zeira's Din, and the
Machlokes between us is whether one may slaughter
without the earth under the blood already in place.
2. R. Yosef would seem to subscribe to this
requirement and earth must be dug prior to the
3. Rabah would seem to not subscribe to this
requirement and he may dig after the Shechitah.
1. (Rabah) We are afraid to let a person dig the
lower earth, lest he then decide not to slaughter.
2. (R. Yosef) We do not apply such a Gezeirah, lest
one without lower earth (prepared) refrain from