POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafBeitzah 24
(a) Question: The Beraisa teaches that one may not trap
Chayos nor Ofos in a Bibar (contradicting the Mishnah
regarding both Chayos and Ofos)!?
2) R. SHIMON B. GAMLIEL LOOKS AT THE SIZE OF THE BIBAR
(b) Answer: Regarding Chayos the two Beraisos differ
regarding the positions of R. Yehudah (who only forbids
birds being trapped into a tower and deer into a house,
but not into a Bibar) and Rabanan (who prohibit even
into a Bibar).
(c) Question: But there is still a contradiction regarding
(d) Answer: It speaks of different types of Bibarin, one
roofed and one unroofed.
(e) Question: But both agree that one may trap a bird into
a house, which should be viewed as a covered Bibar!?
(f) Answer (Rabah b.R. Huna): The prohibition is speaking
of an undomesticated bird (Dror), as taught in the
(g) Question: There should be no contradiction within
Chayos, either, given that one Beraisa may be speaking
of a larger or smaller Bibar!?
1. Question: What would constitute a small or large
2. Answer (R. Ashi): A small Bibar is where the
animal may be caught with one stride.
3. Alternate Answer: The presence of nooks (into
which the animal may escape) makes it a large
(a) (R. Yosef citing R. Yehudah citing Shmuel) The Halachah
follows R. Shimon b. Gamliel.
3) AN ANIMAL WHICH IS NOT YET TRAPPED...
(b) Question (Abaye): Are we to infer from this "ruling"
that there is a dissenting opinion?
(c) Answer (R. Yosef): Why should you inquire about a
dissenting opinion once you know the Halachah?
(d) Question (Abaye): One must not learn like a fool!
(a) Question: When is an animal not yet trapped?
4) TAKING ANIMALS FROM THE TRAPS - MUCHAN
(b) Answer (R. Yosef citing R. Yehudah citing Shmuel): If
the person calls for a trap to trap the animal.
(c) Question (Abaye): But we find that people call for
traps when seeking certain fowl, yet the Beraisa
teaches that one who traps these is Patur!?
(d) Answer (Rabah b.R. Huna citing Shmuel): These come back
to their pens at night.
(e) Question: But the Beraisa speaks of pigeons which
return to their place at night and yet one is Chayav
for trapping them?
(f) Answer: Rather, we must say one is Patur if they come
back to their pens at night *and* they depend on the
owner for their food, but not if they come back but do
not depend on the owner for food.
(g) Answer (R. Mari): The prohibited birds fly away while
the permitted ones do not.
(h) Question: But all the pigeons fly up to their nests!?
(i) Answer: Some fly to their nests, while some fly away
even from their nests (making it more difficult to
(a) One may not take an animal from a trap on YomTov,
unless certain that the animal was trapped before
5) SAFEK MUCHAN
(b) A Gentile brought fish to R. Gamliel who ruled them
permitted (but that he did not wish to take them from
(a) Question: The cited incident contradicts the Reisha!?
(b) Answer: We must insert the Halachah that Safek Muchan
is a Machlokes, and the incident demonstrates R.
Gamliel's lenient position regarding Safek Muchan.
(c) (R. Yehudah citing Shmuel) The Halachah does not follow
(d) Others learn Shmuel's ruling as applied to the
Machlokes between R. Gamliel (who permits Safek Muchan)
and R. Yehoshua (who does not permit) and the ruling is
in favor of R. Yehoshua.
(e) Others learn Shmuel's ruling as applied to the
discussion of taking animals from a trap:
6) R. GAMLIEL PERMITS THE FISH
1. (Tana Kama) One may slaughter animals in a Bibar
with water but not from a net or trap.
2. (R. Shimon b. Elazar) If he found the trap
disturbed on Erev YomTov he may take the animal,
since it surely was trapped before YomTov; whereas
if he found it disturbed on YomTov he may not take
it, as it was surely trapped on YomTov.
i. Question: But this is self contradictory,
since in the first case we may take it only
if we are *certain* that it was trapped
before YomTov, yet in the second case it may
be taken unless we are certain it was trapped
3. On this Shmuel ruled like R. Shimon b. Elazar.
ii. The statement means to prohibit where we are
in doubt as to when it was trapped (i.e. a
doubt must be viewed as though it were
certainly trapped on YomTov whose Halachah
(a) Question: What are they permitted for?
(b) Answer (Rav): They may be received.
(c) Answer (Levi): They may be eaten.
(d) (Rav) My attendance in the Beis Medrash allowed me to
know of Rebbi's retraction of the Heter to eat it.
(e) Question: But the Beraisa permits one to receive moist
fish and fresh fruit from a Gentile (while they may be
received, how can these be eaten, seeing as they were
just trapped or picked)!?
1. Answer: According to your assumption, they cannot
be handled either (so that we must be speaking of
reddish fish and pickled fruit)!?
(f) (R. Papa) It is not permitted to receive from a Gentile
anything which may have been picked that day (i.e.
these items are still attached in the fields), and they
are permitted after YomTov (Rishon) only after Kedei
2. Question: Why are these called fresh?
3. Answer: Because they appear as though they are
(g) If they are not available in the fields they are
(h) If they came in from outside the Techum they are
prohibited, but only to the Jew for whom they were