REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Kama 73
BAVA KAMA 73 (21 Tishrei, Hoshana Raba) - dedicated by Gedalyah Jawitz of
Wantagh, N.Y., honoring the Yahrtzeit of his father, Yehuda ben Simcha Volf
(a) We learned in our Mishnah that if two witnesses testified that someone
stole a sheep or a cow and Shechted or sold it, and then become Zomemin,
they are obligated to pay both Kefel and Daled ve'Hey.
What does the Tana Kama of the Beraisa say about a pair of witnesses who
testified that someone stole an animal and Shechted or stole it and who then
became Zomemin on the testimony ...
On what grounds do
we initially ask from this Mishnah on Abaye (who holds 'Eid Zomem Lemafre'a
(b) We try to answer that the Tana speaks when they were first made Zomemin
on the Tevichah.
Why is this answer unsatisfactory?
(c) So how do we establish our Mishnah, to conform with Abaye?
(d) Does it matter in which order the Hazamah took place?
- ... of the theft?
- ... of the Tevichah or the Mechirah?
(a) Rebbi Yossi makes a distinction between two pairs of witnesses and one
pair of witnesses. In the latter case, he says 'Eidus she'Batlah Miktzasah,
Batlah Kulah'. We refute the suggestion that Rebbi Yossi means literally two
pairs of witnesses and one pair.
If he did, how would we present the case
involving one pair of witnesses?
(b) On what grounds do we refute this suggestion?
(c) Then what is the case of ...
(d) Assuming that both Tana'im hold of the principle 'Toch K'dei Dibur
ke'Dibur Dami', what do we suggest is the basis of their Machlokes? Why do
the Rabbanan disagree with Rebbi Yossi?
- ... 'Sh'tei Idiyos'?
- ... 'Eidus Achas'?
(a) We conclude that both Tana'im may well hold 'Eid Zomem Lemafre'a
Answers to questions
In that case, why do the Rabbanan not negate the testimony on the
Geneivah which was said 'Toch K'dei Dibur' prior to that of the Tevichah or
(b) What do we mean when, to explain Rebbi Yossi, we say 'Ki Iszamu
a'Tevichah, *Iszamu* Nami a'Geneivah'?
(a) Rebbi Meir says in the Mishnah in Temurah 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah,
Temuras Shelamim, Harei Zu Temuras Olah'.
Rava says that if witnesses whose testimony a second pair of witnesses
countered (Hakchashah), and whom a third pair of witnesses then declared
Zomemin, they are considered Zomemin (and are even put to death if that is
what they attempted to achieve with their testimony).
Why is that?
(b) If that is what he meant, Rebbi Yossi says, then, since it is impossible
for the two to take effect simultaneously, his words stand.
What does he
mean by ...
(c) If he changed his mind however, Rebbi Yossi continues, then it is a
Temuras Olah (like Rebbi Meir), which seems rather obvious.
- ... 'if that is what he meant?
- ... 'his words stand'?
So how does
Rav Papa establish Rebbi Yossi? What is the Chidush?
(d) But did we not just conclude that Rebbi Yossi holds 'Toch K'dei Dibur
Why is that? Why
does Rava not consider their testimony invalid from the time of the
(a) The Beraisa rules that if witnesses testify that a man blinded his Eved
and then knocked out his tooth (which pleases the master), and are then
declared Zomemin, they must pay the value of the eye to the Eved. Besides
the fact that if there was only one pair of witnesses, then, once the Eved
goes free, why should the witnesses pay for the eye?, what other problem do
we have with this ruling?
(b) What third problem do we have with the Beraisa the way it stands?
(c) How does Rava therefore establish the Beraisa? What do each pair of
(d) What are the ramifications of the discrepancy between the two pairs of
witnesses? How does this answer the three Kashyos that we just posed?
(a) How does Rava now attempt to prove his opinion regarding 'Hakchashah
Techilas Hazamah' from here?
Answers to questions
(b) Abaye refutes Rava's proof. According to him, the Tana speaks when no
witnesses testified prior to the Zomemin.
Then how does he establish the
Beraisa, in order to resolve the three problems?
(c) What is the problem, according to Abaye, with obligating the Zomemin to
pay the Eved the value of his eye?