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Bava Kama 87


(a) In a second Beraisa, Rebbi Yehudah maintains that a blind man is not subject to shame.
And what does he learn ...
  1. ... from the Pasuk in Ma'sei "ve'Shaftu ha'Eidah Bein ha'Makeh u'Vein Go'el ha'Dam al ha'Mishpatim ha'Eileh"?
  2. ... in a third Beraisa, from the Pasuk in Va'eschanan "ve'Zos ha'Mitzvah, ha'Chukim ve'ha'Mishpatim"?
(b) Why did Rav Yosef initially declare that he would make a party for anyone who would rule like Rebbi Yehudah?

(c) He changed his mind however, when he heard what Rebbi Chanina said.
What did Rebbi Chanina say?

(d) What did he declare from then on?

(a) Our Mishnah states that Adam ha'Mazik pays the five things, whereas Shor ha'Mazik does not.
What is the source for this?

(b) The Parshah that obligates the five things begins with the words "Ki Yinatzu Anashim".
What do we learn from the word "Anashim"?

(c) If someone strikes his parents without causing a wound, and someone who wounds someone on Yom Kipur, are both Chayav to pay.
Why does the Tana need to teach us this? What is the Chidush?

(d) If Reuven wounds Shimon's Eved Ivri, he pays all five things.
What will be the Din if he wounds his own Eved Ivri?

(a) According to the Tana Kama, if someone wounds an Eved Cana'ani, he pays all five things.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(b) What does the Tana mean when he says 'Chashu' Pegi'asan Ra?

(c) In what way are an Eved Cana'ani and a woman different than a 'Chashu' in this regard?

(d) What is the Din with regard to someone who strikes ...

  1. ... his parents and causes a wound and Reuven who wounds Shimon on Shabbos?
  2. ... his own Eved Cana'ani?
(a) Rebbi Elazar asked Rav what the Din will be if Reuven wounds Shimon's daughter who is a Ketanah.
Why might he be obligated to pay Shimon and not the girl herself?

(b) Why, on the other hand, might the Nezek be different than the Sh'vach Ne'urim?

(c) What was Rav's reply?

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(a) We learned in our Mishnah that someone who wounds his own Eved Ivri is Patur from paying She'ves.
Why is that?

(b) But did Rav not just say 'Lo Zachsah Torah le'Av Ela Sh'vach Ne'urim Bil'vad', denying the girl's father the right to her Nezek?

(a) What distinction does the Tana of another Beraisa make between wounding one's own son if he is already a Gadol, and wounding him when he is still a Katan?

(b) And what does he say about ...

  1. ... a man who wounds his own daughter who is a Ketanah?
  2. ... someone else who wounds her?
(c) How does Rav reconcile his ruling ('Lo Zachsah Torah ... ') with this Beraisa?

(d) What is the basis for the distinction between a son who is a Katan (whom the father is obligated to pay in the event that he wounds him), and a daughter who is a Ketanah (whom he is Patur from paying)?

(a) Another Beraisa makes the same distinction between Reuven who wounds Shimon's son when he is already a Gadol and when he is still a Katan, as the first Beraisa made in the case of someone who wounds his own son.
What does this Tana say about someone who wounds his own sons and daughters?

(b) But did the previous Beraisa not just rule that he is obligated to pay them?

(a) Having established the earlier Beraisa when the children do not eat at their father's table, what is then the dual problem with the equivalent Din by a daughter?

(b) Would this same problem exist in the case of an Eved Cana'ani?

(c) How would the Eved Cana'ani then survive?

(d) What do we then learn from the Pasuk in Re'ei (in connection with an Eved Ivri) "Ki Tov Lo Imach"? What has that to do with the Din by a daughter?

(a) We finally explain why the father is Patur from paying his daughter Nezek (and why if others wound her, the Nezek goes to the father), by establishing the case like Rava B'rei de'Rav Ula.
How does he establish a similar case concerning a wife?

(b) Having established the latter Beraisa when the children eat at their fathers' table, what would we have expected the Din to be should somebody else wound them?

(c) Nevertheless, the money goes to them, because we take for granted the fact that the father would not mind money that comes from external sources going to them.
Then why does whatever they find go to their father?

(d) Then why did the Tana in the first Beraisa rule that the Nezek of his daughter who is a Ketanah goes to him?

10) We learned earlier that, if a father wounds his son who is a Katan, he invests the Nezek for when he grows up. According to Rav Chisda, he purchases a Seifer-Torah with the money.
What does Rabah bar Rav Huna say?


(a) Resh Lakish concurs with Rav, who learned above 'Lo Zachsah Torah le'Av Ela Sh'vach Ne'urim Bil'vad'.
What do we think Rebbi Yochanan means when he says 'Afilu Petzi'ah'?

(b) What problem do we have with that?

(c) So what did Rebbi Yochanan mean?

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