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Bava Kama 117


(a) What do we attempt learn from the Beraisa 'ba'Rishonah Hayu Omrim ha'Metamei ve'ha'Menasech. Chazru Lomar Af he'Medamei'?

(b) Why else might Medamei not have been included together with Metamei and Menasech?

(c) So we try and prove the same principle from Avuhah de'Rebbi Avin's version.
Which of the three does the Tana omit from the original list, according to him?

(d) We refute this proof too however, on the basis of a Machlokes between Rebbi Avin and Rebbi Yirmiyah. Why, according to ...

  1. ... Rebbi Avin, would a Menasech be Patur from paying?
  2. ... Rebbi Yirmiyah, would he be Chayav?
(a) What did Rav Huna bar Yehudah rule in a case where a Yisrael whom Nochrim had forced, pointed out to them where they could find money belonging to a Jew, which they promptly took?

(b) What was Rava's response when Rav Huna bar Yehudah told him what he had done?

(c) In which case does the Tana concede that he would have been Chayav?

(d) What does Rabah consider in the same category as handing it to the Nochri?

(a) In another case, after the king's men had forced someone to show them wine belonging to Rav Mari B'rei de'Rav Pinchas B'ri de'Rav Chisda, they then forced him to carry it to the palace with them.
In view of the ruling that we just learned 've'Im Nasa ve'Nasan be'Yad, Chayav', how did Rav Ashi justify his ruling exempting the man from payment?

(b) What does the Tana rule in a case where someone follows the instructions of an Anas, and hands him a ball of wool or a bunch of grapes?

(c) How does Rav Ashi reconcile his lenient ruling with this Beraisa?

(d) How does Rav Ashi prove his point from the Lashon of the Beraisa?

(a) When one of the men contesting ownership of a fishing-net (or a net to trap wild animals) handed it over to the king's official, Abaye justified it on the grounds that he had handed over what was his.
Why did Rava object to Abaye's ruling?

(b) What did Rava therefore rule?

(c) In another case, a man who planned to show the king's men where his friend's straw was stored was brought before Rava.
How did he respond when Rava forbade him to do so?

(d) And how did Rav Kahana, Rav's Talmid, react to the man's impudence?

(a) On what basis did Rav justify Rav Kahana's action (even though that did not seem to have been Rav Kahana's motive)?

(b) What did Rav advise Rav Kahana to do? Why might he not have done so had the same incident occurred earlier?

(c) How did Rav Kahana, after arriving in Eretz Yisrael, come to Resh Lakish's notice?

(a) When Resh Lakish informed Rebbi Yochanan that 'a lion had arrived from Bavel', the latter placed Rav Kahana in the front row.
How did he arrive in the back (seventh) row?

(b) Rebbi Yochanan was not impressed with Rav Kahana.
What did he comment to Resh Lakish?

(c) Why did Rav Kahana not abide by Rav's instructions to remain silent for seven years?

(d) What happened next? At which stage did Rebbi Yochanan longing to see Rav Kahana?

(a) Why was it necessary to assist Rebbi Yochanan to see Rav Kahana? Why could he not see him automatically?

(b) What caused Rav Kahana's death?

(c) When Rebbi Yochanan's Talmidim explained to him that Rav Kahana's grin was due to a split lip, he went to the cave where Rav Kahana's body was lying.
What was the response of the snake that encircled the cave when he asked it to open its mouth and let ...

  1. ... the Rebbi enter to see his Talmid?
  2. ... the Chaver to see his Chaver?
(d) When did the snake open its mouth and allow him to enter?
(a) Why was Rav Kahana reluctant to be revived?

(b) In any event, there and then he settled all Rebbi Yochanan's learning problems.
What did Rebbi Yochanan subsequently tell his Talmidim?

(c) How do we know that he did accept Rebbi Yochanan's offer to return with him?

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(a) In the case where a man pointed out Rebbi Aba's ornament of silk to the king's men, the Beis-Din quoted the Mishnah in Bechoros. What does the Tana rule there by 'Dan es ha'Din, Zikah es ha'Chayav, ve'Chiyev es ha'Zakai, Timei es ha'Tahor ve'Tihar es ha'Tamei'?

(b) Rebbi Ila'a however, queries the Beis-Din from Rav.
How does Rav establish that Mishnah?

(c) The Dayanim, convinced that the defendant was liable, instructed Rebbi Aba to take his case to Rebbi Shimon ben Elyakim and Rebbi Elazar ben P'das. Why specifically them?

(d) They obligated the defendant to pay.
On which Mishnah did they base their ruling?

(a) What did that guardian of a silver cup do when thieves came to rob him?

(b) Why did Abaye object when Rabah exempted him from paying?

(c) So what did Rav Ashi rule?

(d) In a similar case, where the guardian of a purse of Pidyon Shevuyim handed the thieves who came to rob him the purse, how did Rabah justify his lenient ruling?

(a) When Reuven pushed Shimon's donkey off the ferry into the river and it drowned, why did Abaye think that he ought to be liable to pay?

(b) Why did Rabah then exempt him from paying?

(a) Rabah's previous ruling is based on another ruling of his.
Why does Rabah exempt both Reuven and Shimon from paying, if Reuven is chasing Shimon with intent to kill him, and ...
  1. ... he smashes vessels along the way?
  2. ... Shimon smashes Reuven's vessels in his efforts to escape?
(b) And on what grounds does he exempt Levi who, in order to save Shimon, is chasing Reuven, from paying for vessels that *he* broke?

(c) Why ought Levi to be liable?

(a) What does the Tana of our Mishnah say in a case where an overflowing river swept away Reuven's donkey which Shimon stole? Where was the donkey?

(b) If the same happened to the field that Shimon stole from Reuven, Rebbi Elazar in a Beraisa obligates Shimon to give Reuven another field.
Why do the Chachamim exempt him from paying?

(c) Their Machlokes is based on the Pasuk in Vayikra "ve'Chichesh ba'Amiso ... O mi'Kol Asher Yishava Alav la'Shaker" (in connection with Shevu'as ha'Pikadon).
What is the basis of their dispute?

(a) If Rebbi Elazar Darshens 'Ribuy, Miy'ut and Ribuy' ("ve'Chichesh" ba'Amiso", "be'Pikadon", "O mi'Kol Asher Yishava ... "), what does the Miy'ut come to preclude? What does it come to preclude from?

(b) And if the Rabbanan Darshen 'K'lal u'P'rat u'Ch'lal', which two requirements do we learn from "be'Pikadon" for a Shomer to be Chayav payment or a Shevu'ah?

(c) Karka is not movable, and Sh'taros have no intrinsic value.
But why are Avadim exempt?

(d) The Beraisa cites a Machlokes where the Rabbanan argue with Rebbi Elazar over a cow which someone stole and which the river then swept away. Rebbi Elazar obligates the Gazlan to pay, the Rabbanan exempt him.
How does Rav Papa establish the case? How does he explain the Machlokes?

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