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Bava Kama 119


(a) How did Rava (or Rabah) justify to Abaye the fact that he purchased a bundle of branches from an Aris (a share-cropper), despite our Mishnah, which prohibits doing so from the guardian of an orchard?

(b) The Tana of the Beraisa forbids any clandestine sale of wood and fruit from the guardian of an orchard, though he does permit it if they are sitting and selling.
What other two conditions does he require?

(c) Where, in addition, must they be sitting for the sale to be permitted?

(a) Rav permits buying from a Gazlan provided most of his possessions are not stolen.
What does Shmuel say?

(b) What did Rav Yehudah teach Ada Dayla? What does 'Dayla' mean?

(c) Rav Huna and Rav Yehudah argue over whether one may destroy the money of a Masur.
On what grounds might this be permitted?

(d) What does the other opinion learn from the Pasuk in Iyov "Yachin Rasha ve'Tzadik Yilbash"?

(a) Why was Rav Chisda unhappy with his Aris?

(b) What did he do that prompted his quotation of the Pasuk in Mishlei "ve'Tzafun la'Tzadik Cheil Chotei"?

(a) The Pasuk in Mishlei, in connection with a Chanaf (a Ganav in this context), writes "Ki Yishal Eloka Nafsho".
What are the two possible connotations of "Nafsho"?

(b) Rav Huna and Rav Chisda argue over this point.
What does one of them prove from the Pasuk in Mishlei ...

  1. ... "Kein Orchos Kol Botze'a Betza, es Nefesh Ba'alav Yikach"?
  2. ... "Al Tigzal Ki Dal Hu ... Ki Hashem Yariv Rivam ve'Kava es Kov'eihem Nefesh"?
(c) How does ...
  1. ... the second opinion interpret "es Nefesh *Ba'alav* Yikach"?
  2. ... the first opinion interpret "ve'Kava es Kov'eihem Nefesh"?
(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan learn from the above Pasuk "Kein Orchos Kol Botze'a Betza, es Nefesh Ba'alav Yikach"?

(b) What does he subsequently learn from the Pasuk ...

  1. ... in Yirmiyah "ve'Achal Ketzircha ve'Lachm'cha, Yochlu Banecha u'Venosecha"?
  2. ... in Shmuel 2 "el Shaul ve'el Beis ha'Damim Al Asher Heimis es ha'Giv'onim"?
(c) What did Shaul do to be termed guilty of having caused the death of the Giv'onim?
(a) The Tana of the Beraisa permits the purchase of woolen garments in Yehudah from women ... just like our Mishnah.
What does he say about purchasing wine, oil and flour ...
  1. ... from them?
  2. ... from Avadim and small children?
(b) On what basis does Aba Shaul permit buying from a woman all the above things to the value of four or five Sela'im (provided the sale is not clandestine)?

(c) Is a Gabai Tzedakah permitted to accept Tzedakah from a woman?

(d) In that case, how did Ravina, who was a Gabai Tzedakah, justify (to Rabah Tosfa'ah) the fact that he accepted golden chains and bracelets from the women of Mechuza?

(a) Under what circumstances is one permitted to buy olives and oil from the wife of the owner of an oil-press?

(b) Assuming 'be'Mu'at' to mean 'a little', why does the Tana prohibit buying small quantities from them?

(c) What else might 'be'Mu'at' mean?

(d) Raban Shimon ben Gamliel permits buying from them in the upper-Galil on Yom-Tov (or be'Mu'at).

(a) On what grounds is a laundryman permitted to keep the pieces of fluff that come off a woolen garment during laundering? What if the owner objects?

(b) Why does concession not apply to the fluff that comes off with the combing of the fuller (who combs wool)?

(c) What is the significance of the three threads that the fuller may take?

(d) Under which circumstances is he permitted to take even more?

(a) Who takes ...
  1. ... the length of thread left by the tailor at the end of the garment to stitch with?
  2. ... the piece of cloth three by three finger-breadths which the tailor
  3. cut off when stretching the cloth to straighten it?
(b) And who takes ...
  1. ... the tiny shavings that remain after the wood has been planed with an adze (a small axe)?
  2. ... the shavings that remain after it has been chopped with a large axe?
(c) Under which circumstances does even the sawdust belong to the owner?

(d) Is one permitted to buy the fluff from woolen clothes from a laudryman?

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(a) The Tana of the Beraisa also permits the laudryman to keep the two threads at the end of the garment.
But did our Mishnah not allow him to keep three?

(b) What does the Tana mean when he says 've'Lo Yatil Bo Yoser mi'Sheloshah Chubin'?

(c) Rebbi Yirmiyah asks whether 'Amtuyi va'Asuyi' is considered one or two, and remains with 'Teiku'.
What does he mean?

(d) The fuller combs with the direction of the Shesi (the warp), not of the Arev (the woof).
From which part of the garment does he cut the stretched wool? Up to how much is he permitted to cut?

(a) How do we reconcile the previous Beraisa, which instructs the fuller to comb with the Shesi, not with the Arev, with the Beraisa, which says the opposite?

(b) One is not permitted to buy fluff from the fuller, because, as we learned in our Mishnah, he is not entitled to keep it.
In which case is such a purchase permitted?

(c) Why may one buy from him cushions filled with fluff?

(a) One may not buy from a weaver Irin, Nirin, Punklin or P'kayos.
If Irin are remnants of wool that the weaver places at both ends of the rod which holds the Arev to prevent it from slipping off the rod, and Nirin are warp-threads (through which the threads of the warp are passed), what are ...
  1. ... Punklin?
  2. ... P'kayos?
(b) Why is one permitted to buy a cloth of many colors from a weaver? What do the many colors indicate?

(c) Why is one permitted to purchase Arev, Shesi, Tavi (spun cloth) or Arig (woven cloth) from him?

(d) Seeing as woven cloth has been spun first, how do we explain 'Arig' in this context?

(a) One may not buy from a dyer Osos or Dugmos, nor small pieces of wool. What is the difference between 'Osos' and 'Dugmos', both of which are samples?

(b) One may however, purchase from him spun samples or samples that he wove into a garment (because he acquired them with Shinuy).
Seeing as he acquires the spun samples, why does the Tana need to add samples that he wove into a garment (seeing as these are normally spun first)?

(c) The cuttings which the tanner removes from the skins and any loose wool belong to the owner.
What does the Tana list as belonging to the tanner?

(a) What is the significance of the fact that a laundryman is called 'Katzra'?

(b) What does Rav Yehudah say about the three threads in our Mishnah which the laundryman did not remove?

(c) What did his son Yitzchak used to do?

(a) We learned in our Mishnah that the thread left by the tailor belongs to the owner.
What is the minimum thread length required according to Rav Asi?

(b) What are the two possible interpretations of Rav Asi's statement?

(c) What does the Tana of another Beraisa say about a case where the tailor left a thread less than is fit to stitch with or a piece that is less than three by three finger-breadths?

(d) How do we extrapolate from here that the minimum Shiur cannot possibly be a needle-length plus a Mashehu?

(e) On the other hand, what is a needle-length plus a bit less than another needle-length fit for?

(a) We learned in our Mishnah that the carpenter may take the small shavings that remain after the wood has been planed with a Ma'atzad (an adze).
What does the Tana of the Beraisa rule with regard to ...
  1. ... the chippings of wood that the carpenter planed with a Ma'atzad or sawed off with a saw?
  2. ... the sawdust that remained after he has drilled with an awl, planed with a plane or sawn off with a saw?
(b) How do we reconcile the two contradictory rulings regarding a Ma'atzad?

(c) What does the Tana say about ...

  1. ... stone cutters (who shape and smoothen stones)?
  2. ... pruners (of trees or of bushes) and weeders (who weed vegetables that are growing among the seeds or that are growing too thickly)?
(d) According to Rebbi Yehudah, hops, and crops in their early stages of growth are not subject to theft (except in a place where people tend to be particular about them).
What did Ravina say about Masa Mechsaya?
***** Hadran Alach 'ha'Gozel u'Ma'achil' u'Selika Maseches Bava Kama *****

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