POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
Ask A Question on the daf
Previous daf Bava Metzia 10
1) PICKING UP SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER PERSON
(a) (Rav Nachman and Rav Chisda): Shimon picked up a found
object for Reuven - Reuven does not acquire.
2) FOUR AMOS ACQUIRE
(b) Question: Why not?
(c) Answer: This is like one who takes for a creditor when
this causes others a loss (other people who might have
wanted to take the object), and this does not acquire.
(d) Question (Rava - Beraisa): A worker keeps what he finds -
this is only if the employer hired him for a particular
job, e.g. 'Weed for me today';
1. But if he said 'Work for me today', the employer
(e) Answer (Rav Nachman): The case of a worker is different -
his hand (power of acquisition) is as the hand of his
(f) Question (Rava): But Rav taught that a worker can quit
his job in the middle.
(g) Answer (Rav Nachman): Until he quits, his hand is as his
1. Rav learns from "Ki Li (for to Me) Benei Yisrael are
slaves" - they are not slaves to slaves.
(h) (R. Chiya bar Aba): Shimon picked up a found object for
Reuven - Reuven acquires.
1. Question (R. Chiya bar Aba): But in the Mishnah,
Reuven does not acquire (we are thinking that this
is even though Shimon did not say that he picks it
up for himself until after he picked it up)!
2. Answer (R. Chiya bar Aba): In the Mishnah, Reuven
asked Shimon to give it to him, he never asked him
to acquire it for him.
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven saw a found object and fell on it;
Shimon grabbed it - Shimon keeps it.
(b) (Gemara - Reish Lakish): In every place, the 4 Amos
around a person acquire for him.
(c) Question: Why is this?
(d) Answer: Chachamim enacted this in order that people
should not fight (to grab found objects).
(e) Question #1 (R. Chiya bar Yosef - Mishnah): Levi took
some Pei'ah and threw it on the rest - this does nothing;
1. If he fell on it or threw his garment on it, others
may take the Pei'ah from him.
(f) Answer #1: The case is, he did not say that his 4 Amos
should acquire for him.
2. The same applies to a forgotten sheaf (Shichchah).
3. If the 4 Amos around a person acquire for him, he
should keep what he fell on!
(g) Question: If Chachamim enacted, he should not need to say
(h) Answer #2 (Abaye): By falling on it, he shows that he
wants to acquire by falling, not through his 4 Amos.
(i) Answer #3 (Rav Papa): Chachamim enacted 4 Amos in public
areas, not in a private field.
3) A GIRL'S ACQUISITIONS
1. Even though the Torah allows poor people to enter
the field - this is only to take the Pei'ah, not
that it should be like their field.
(j) Question #2 (Rav Idi bar Avin - Mishnah): Reuven saw a
lost object and fell on it; Shimon grabbed it - Shimon
1. If the 4 Amos around a person acquire for him, he
should keep what he fell on!
(k) Answer #1: The case is, he did not say that his 4 Amos
should acquire for him.
(l) Question: If Chachamim enacted, he should not need to say
(m) Answer #2: By falling on it, he shows that he wants to
acquire by falling, not through his 4 Amos.
(n) Answer #3 (Rav Sheshes): Chachamim only enacted 4 Amos in
a Simta (a small path, a place where people make
transactions), where it is not so crowded; not in the
(o) Question: But Reish Lakish said that in every place, a
person's 4 Amos acquire!
(p) Answer: 'In every place' comes to include the sides of
the main road.
(a) (Reish Lakish): A girl (minor) does not acquire through
her Chatzer, nor through her 4 Amos.
(b) (R. Yochanan): She acquires through her Chatzer and her 4
(c) Question: On what do they argue?
(d) Answer: R. Yochanan holds, the Torah says that a Chatzer
acquires as a person's hand - just as she has a hand (to
acquire a Get), she has a yard;
1. Reish Lakish holds, the Torah says that a Chatzer
acquires as a person's agent - just as an agent does
not acquire for her (minors cannot make agents), her
yard does not acquire for her.
(e) Question: Does anyone hold that a Chatzer acquires as a
1. (Beraisa) Question: "(If the stolen object will be
found) in his hand" - how do we know to include his
roof, yard or storage area?
(f) Answer #1 (Ravina): We only say that there cannot be an
agent to sin when the agent is liable for transgressing -
a Chatzer is not liable, so (it can be an agent to sin,)
the person is liable for what the Chatzer acquires.
2. Answer: "Himatzei Timatzei" - the double language
comes to include them.
i. If they acquire (theft) as agents - they would
be agents to sin, but we hold that there cannot
be an agent to sin!
1. Question: If so - if Reuven told a (married) woman
or a slave to steal, Reuven is liable, for they are
(g) Answer #2 (Rav Sama): We only say that there cannot be an
agent to sin when the agent can choose whether or not to
comply - a Chatzer has no choice, so the person is
2. Answer: Married women and slaves are liable, just
they are unable to pay now;
i. (Mishnah): If the woman became divorced or the
slave was freed, they must pay.
(h) Question: What is the difference between the 2 answers?
(i) Answer: A Kohen that told a Yisrael 'Mekadesh a divorcee
to me', or a man who told a woman 'cut the sidelocks of
a boy for me';
1. Since they can choose to obey or not, Rav Sama holds
that the one who told them is not liable for their
(j) Question: Does anyone hold that a Chatzer does not
acquire as a person's hand?!
2. Since they are not forbidden to do these actions,
Ravina holds that the one who told them is liable
for their actions.
1. (Beraisa) Question: "(And he will give (a Get)) in
her hand" - how do we know to include her roof, yard
or storage area?
(k) Answer #1: Regarding a Get, all agree that her yard
acquires as her hand;
2. Answer: "And he will give" (this is written before
"her hand", suggesting that he can put it in other
places as well.
1. They argue regarding a found object: R. Yochanan
learns from Get to a found object, Reish Lakish does
(l) Answer #2 (Retraction): Really, all agree that regarding
a girl we learn from Get to a found object (that her yard
acquires as her hand);
1. They argue regarding a boy. R. Yochanan learns a boy
from a girl (his yard acquires as his hand), Reish
Lakish does not.]
(m) Answer #3 (Retraction): R. Yochanan and Reish Lakish do
not argue at all - they spoke about different things.
1. [Version #1: Reish Lakish said that a boy does not
acquire through his yard or 4 Amos, R. Yochanan said
that a girl does.]
2. [Version #2: Reish Lakish said that a girl does not
acquire a found object through her yard or 4 Amos,
R. Yochanan said that she acquires a Get through her
yard or 4 Amos.]