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Chagigah 9

CHAGIGAH 9 & 10 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz Torah in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) Until when is someone permitted to bring his Chagigah, if he failed to bring it ...
  1. ... on the first day of Pesach?
  2. ... on the first day of Sukos?
(b) According to the Tana Kama, the Pasuk in Koheles "Me'uvas Lo Yuchal li'S'kon ve'Chesaron Lo Yuchal le'Himanos" refers to someone who failed to bring his Chagigah after the final date.
To whom does "ve'Chesaron Lo Yuchal le'Himanos" refer to, according to Rebbi Shimon ben Menasya?

(c) What does Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai infer from the word "li'S'kon"?
To whom does it then refer in his opinion?

(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan quoting Rebbi Yishmael learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Atzeres" (by Shemini Atzeres) "Atzeres" (by the seventh day of Shavu'os)?

(b) This 'Gezeirah-Shavah' must be Mufneh, the Gemara explains, because otherwise, we could ask a Kashya on it.
What does this mean?

(c) Which Kashya could we ask if both words were not Mufneh?

(d) What does "Atzeres" mean? Why is the Gezeirah-Shavah Mufneh?

(a) The Tana learns that Shemini Atzeres serves as a Tashlumin for Sukos, from a Pasuk in Emor.
What does he learn from ...
  1. ... "ve'Chagosem *Oso* Chag la'Hashem"?
  2. ... "Shiv'as Yamim"?
  3. ... "ba'Chodesh ha'Shevi'i Tachogu *Oso*"?
(b) What would the Tana have learned had the Torah omitted the second "Oso" from the end of the Pasuk?

(c) We have already learned that, according to Rebbi Yochanan, all the days are Tashlumin for the first day, and according to Rebbi Oshaya, each day is a new Chiyuv for someone who did not yet bring his Chagigah.
What is the difference between the two opinions?

(a) The Mishnah in Nazir teaches that a Nazir can sometimes bring one Korban for two Tum'os.
What does this mean?

(b) Why will this not apply if the Nazir became Tamei for the second time on the eighth day?

(c) If it occurred on the night before the eighth however, he brings only one Korban, according to Chizkiyah.
Why is that?

(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan say in a case where the Nazir's second Tum'ah occurred on the night of the eighth day?

(b) In light of what Rebbi Yochanan said earlier (that someone who is not actually Chayav to bring the Chagigah on the first day of Yom-Tov is not considered a bar Chiyuva), considering that at night-time one is not obligated to bring a Korban, how do we initially explain his opinion here with regard to Tum'ah?

(c) How do we then answer the Kashya even according to those who hold that Pesach Sheini is an independent Chiyuv for the benefit of anyone who did not bring Pesach Rishon?

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(a) Rebbi Yochanan (in Menachos) discusses the Din of a Zav who had three sightings between the eighth night and the eighth day after his first Zivus. How many Korbanos will he have to bring if, after counting seven clean days, he saw Zivus again ...
  1. ... once on the eighth night and twice in the day?
  2. ... twice in the night and once in the day?
(b) Rav Yosef (in Menachos) explains why, in the first Halachah, Rebbi Yochanan does not contend with the fact that his first sighting was still made within the time of his *first* Korban.
How does he explain this?

(c) But did we not just conclude that Rebbi Yochanan holds 'Laylah Eino Mechusar Z'man'.
How will he reconcile that with his statement in Menachos?

(d) What will Rebbi Yochanan himself hold in a case where the Zav saw all three sightings on the eighth *night* following his first Zivus?

7) If, as we just explained, Rebbi Yochanan in Menachos, is discussing the Halachah according to those who hold 'Laylah Mechusar Z'man', then his entire statement appears obvious. We explain that he is coming to uphold Rav Yosef's explanation, and to preclude the Kashya of Rav Shisha B'rei de'Rav Idi.
What is Rav Shisha B'rei de'Rav Idi's Kashya?


(a) What problem does bar Hey Hey have with the Lashon "ve'Chesaron Lo Yuchal *le'Himanos*" in the context of someone who failed to bring his Chagigah in its right time? What should the Pasuk have written?

(b) So how does *he* explain the Pasuk to fit the word "le'Himanos"?

(c) According to the Beraisa which corroborates bar Hey Hey's explanation, what does the Pasuk refer to when it writes "Me'uvas Lo Yuchal li'S'kon"?

(a) Mal'achi seemingly repeats himself, when he first differentiates between a Tzadik and a Rasha, and then between someone who serves Hashem and someone who does not.
How did bar Hey Hey explain the second distinction to Hillel?

(b) How did he then explain to the surprised Hillel the fact that one time can make so much difference?

(c) How did Eliyahu explain to bar Hey Hey (others say that it was to Rebbi Elazar) the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Hinei Tzeraftich ve'Lo be'Chesef, Bechartich be'Kur Oni"?

(d) What folk-saying did Eliyahu's explanation give rise to?

(a) Why can the Pasuk "Me'uvas Lo Yuchal li'S'kon" not refer to someone who steals or robs?

(b) How do we reconcile Rebbi Shimon ben Menasyah in the Beraisa, who establishes the Pasuk by someone who commits adultery with a married woman (irrespective of whether they have children or not), with his own opinion in our Mishnah, where he establishes the same Pasuk by someone who commits adultery and fathers a Mamzer?

(c) We learned in our Mishnah that, according to Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai, "Me'uvas Lo Yuchal li'S'kon" refers to a Talmid-Chacham who forsook his learning. What does he mean when he says 'Ein Omer "Bakru Gamal, Bakru Chazir!", Ela "Bakru T'leh!"

(d) What does the Pasuk in Mishlei refer to when it writes "ke'Tzipor Nodedes min Kanah, Kein Ish Noded mi'Mekomo"?

(a) We just established Rebbi Shimon ben Menasyah in our Mishnah, who in turn, establishes the Pasuk "Me'uvas Lo Yuchal li'S'kon" by incest (rather than by adultery with a married woman). One could however, establish it even by adultery, if it was a case of rape.
Why would that make any difference?

(b) Is it possible to establish the Beraisa by a man who raped a married woman, and still not require children to be born for it to fall into the category of "Me'uvas Lo Yuchal li'S'kon"?

(a) The Gemara has three ways of explaining the Pasuk in Zecharyah "u'le'Yotzei u'le'Va Ein Shalom". According to Rav, the Pasuk refers to someone who goes from Talmud to Chumash.
What does Shmuel say?

(b) Rebbi Yochanan explains it to pertain to someone who goes from Shas to Shas.
What does he mean by that?

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