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1) THE INTENT OF A MINOR
(a) R. Chiya Bar Aba: R. Yochanan had no doubt about mere
intent (it has no effect, like the Mishnah clearly says).
2) THE SLAUGHTER OF A NOCHRI
1. He was unsure about intent recognized through his
actions, e.g. if an Olah was in the south part of
the Azarah, and he took it to the north (where it
must be slaughtered) and slaughtered it.
(b) Question: But R. Yochanan already taught the law of
intent recognized through actions!
i. Do we say, this proves that he intended to
slaughter it as a Korban?
ii. Or, perhaps he just did not find room to
slaughter in the south?
1. (Mishnah): If Reuven took his produce up to the roof
so the mites should leave it, and dew came on it,
since he did not intend for it to get wet, it is not
Huchshar (susceptible to Tum'ah);
(c) Answer: He was unsure if it takes effect mid'Oraisa or
2. If he wanted it to get wet, it is Huchshar.
3. If a deaf person, lunatic or minor took it up, even
if he intended, it is not Huchshar.
i. (R. Yochanan): If he flipped the produce over
so the other side should also get wet, it is
(d) Version #2 - Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak - (R. Chiya Bar Aba
citing R. Yochanan) Question: Does the action of a minor
1. Question (R. Ami): He should ask whether a minor's
intent takes effect!
(e) Answer (R. Yochanan): His actions take effect mid'Oraisa;
his intent has no effect, even mid'Rabanan;
i. Surely, he knew the Mishnah that teaches that a
minor's intent has no effect; the same Mishnah
teaches that his actions take effect!
2. Answer: He was unsure if his actions take effect
mid'Oraisa or mid'Rabanan.
1. When his intent is recognized through actions, this
only has effect mid'Rabanan.
(f) Question (Shmuel): What is the source that if Kodshim are
slaughtered without intent, they are Pesulim?
(g) Answer (Rav Huna): "He will slaughter the bull" - when
slaughtering, he must intend for the bull.
(h) Question (Shmuel): I knew that; I ask, how do we know
that b'Diavad, it is Pasul?
(i) Answer (Rav Huna): "You will slaughter it willingly" -
you will slaughter it knowingly (the extra verse teaches
that b'Diavad, it is Pasul).
(a) (Mishnah): If a Nochri slaughters, the animal is a
Neveilah, it has Tum'as Masa (one who moves it becomes
(b) (Gemara) Question: It is Neveilah, but it is not
forbidden to benefit from it - like whom is our Mishnah?
(c) Answer (R. Chiya b'Rebbi Aba): It is not like R. Eliezer,
he holds that (we assume that) a Nochri is always
thinking about idolatry (his slaughter is for the sake of
(d) (R. Ami): The Mishnah says, if a Nochri slaughters, the
animal is a Neveilah - but if a priest (of idolatry)
slaughtered, the animal is (assumed to be) an offering to
1. From our Mishnah, we derive the same law like a
2. (Beraisa): If a priest (of idolatry) slaughters, the
animal is an offering to idolatry;
i. His bread is forbidden like bread of Kusim; his
wine is Yayin Nesech (a libation to idolatry);
if he wrote Seforim (of Torah and the
prophets) they are like the prophecies of
idolaters; his produce is (assumed to be)
3) "TUM'AH" OF ITEMS OFFERED TO IDOLS
(e) Question (Mishnah): If a Nochri slaughters, the animal is
a Neveilah (but one may benefit from it);
ii. Some say, his children are Mamzerim.
iii. The first Tana holds that he does not allow his
wife to have relations with others.
1. We should be concerned, perhaps he is a priest!
(f) Answer (Rav Nachman): There are not priests among the
(g) Objection: But we see that there are!
(h) Correction: Rather, most Nochrim are not priests.
1. Rav Nachman holds like R. Chiya Bar Aba.
(i) (Rav Yosef bar Minyomi): There are not priests among the
2. (R. Chiya Bar Aba): Nochrim in Chutz La'aretz are
not true idolaters - they merely continue the
customs of their ancestors.
(j) Question: Regarding what law was this taught?
1. Suggestion: Regarding slaughter.
(k) Answer #1: We do not push him into a pit when the
2. Rejection: Even a Yisrael that is a priest to
idolatry, his slaughter is forbidden - all the more
so, a Nochri priest!
(l) Rejection: We push even a Yisrael that is a priest to
idolatry, all the more so, a Nochri priest!
(m) Answer #2: (Rav Ukva bar Chama): We accept Korbanos from
1. (Beraisa): "*From* you" - not from all of you, to
exclude a Mumar; "From *you* (Yisrael)" - within
Yisrael, there is a distinction (from whom we take
Korbanos), but not among Nochrim.
(n) Question: Perhaps the verse teaches that we take Korbanos
from Tzadikim within Yisrael, not from the wicked, but we
do not take from any Nochri!
(o) Answer: (Beraisa): "A man, a man" - this includes
Nochrim, that they may vow and bring Nedarim and Nedavos
(a) (Mishnah): It has Tum'as Masa.
4) SLAUGHTERING WITHOUT SEEING
(b) Question: This is obvious, every Neveilah has Tum'as
(c) Version #1 - Answer (Rava): The Mishnah teaches that
*this* animal has Tum'as Masa, implying that another case
has Tum'as Ohel, i.e. something offered to idolatry,
according to R. Yehudah ben Beseirah.
(d) Version #2 - Answer (Rava): The Mishnah teaches that
slaughter of a Nochri only has Tum'as Masa, it lacks
Tum'as Ohel, even if it was slaughtered to idolatry -
this is unlike R. Yehudah ben Beseirah.
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah ben Beseirah): How do we know
that something offered to idolatry has Tum'as Ohel?
"They clung to Ba'al Pe'or, and ate of the Korbanos
to the dead" - the verse equates idolatry and the
2. Just like a corpse has Tum'as Ohel, also offerings
(a) (Mishnah): If one slaughters at night, or if a blind
person slaughters, it is Kosher.
(b) (Gemara): 'If one slaughters' - this is b'Diavad.
(c) Contradiction (Beraisa): One may slaughter anytime,
anywhere - by day or night, on the roof or the head of a
(d) Answer (Rav Papa): It is permitted at night by the light
of a torch.
(e) Support (Rav Ashi): In the Mishnah, the case of at night
resembles the other case, a blind person, who cannot see;
1. In the Beraisa, the case of at night resembles the
other case, by day, he can see.