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CHULIN 28-30 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi
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1) CHANGING THE STATUS OF A KORBAN
(a) Objection (Abaye): Rava's question remains, for R.
Yochanan taught that this unauthored Beraisa is the
opinion of R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, but Chachamim say
that two may slaughter one Korban!
2) INTERMITTENT SLAUGHTER
1. Even according to R. Elazar, we may distinguish in
the case of a valid Parah, if the slaughterer wore
one hat at the start of slaughter, and a different
hat at the end of slaughter (only the latter should
(b) Answer #2 (Abaye): We must say, the Mishnah only teaches
cases when the Parah is disqualified.
(c) Question (Rav Idi bar Avin - Mishnah): If a Korban Pesach
(was not offered on Erev Pesach, rather,) was slaughtered
during Pesach by someone that had Chametz:
1. If he slaughtered it for the sake of Korban Pesach
(it is invalid, so) he is exempt for slaughtering it
while owning Chametz;
(d) Answer (Abaye): Granted, once he started slaughter, it
became unfit to offer on Pesach Sheni - however, it was
destined to be redeemed, the redemption money would be
used to buy another Pesach (therefore, it does not
automatically become a Shelamim).
2. If he slaughtered it to be a different Korban (it is
valid, so) he is liable.
3. Version #1 - Rashi - Question (Inference): He is
liable only because he intended for a different
Korban - without special intention, he would be
i. Question: Since it was not offered on Erev
Pesach, the Korban is destined to be offered as
a Shelamim - without special intent, it should
be a valid Shelamim, and he should be liable!
4. Version #2 - Tosfos - Question: Since it was not
offered on Erev Pesach, the Korban is destined to be
a Shelamim - even if he intended to offer it as a
Pesach, it should be valid (as a Shelamim), he
should be liable! (End of Version #2)
5. Answer: It must be, it does not automatically become
a Shelamim, one must change its status from a Pesach
to make it a Shelamim.
6. Rejection (R. Chiya bar Gamda): No, the case is that
the owners were Teme'im on Erev Pesach, so the
Korban is destined to be offered as a Pesach on
i. Only in this case, its status must be changed
to make it a Shelamim - but if the owners (were
Tehorim and) brought a different Korban on Erev
Pesach, and this will not be used as a Pesach,
it is automatically a Shelamim!
7. (Culmination of Rav Idi's question): This is
reasonable if the entire slaughter is considered
slaughter - the Korban became unfit at the beginning
of the slaughter, therefore he is exempt.
i. But if only the end is considered slaughter -
at the start of slaughter, it became unfit to
use on Pesach Sheni, it becomes a Shelamim, he
should be liable!
(e) Question: But we can redeem an animal only if it can
stand up for appraisal!
(f) Answer (derived from a Mishnah): If both Simanim or their
majority was slaughtered, and the animal is still
quivering, it is considered alive (i.e. it can be
(a) (Rav): If one slaughters in two or three places, this is
(b) (Shmuel and Reish Lakish): This is invalid - we require
an exposed slaughter.
(c) Question (R. Elazar - Mishnah): If two people are holding
knives and slaughter, even one above and one below, this
1. Such a slaughter is not exposed, yet it is valid!
(d) Answer (R. Yirmeyah): It means, if two people are holding
a knife, even they hold it on opposite ends, their
slaughter is Kosher.
(e) Question (R. Aba - Beraisa): We are not concerned that
they will make it a Treifah.
1. We understand if each cuts with his own knife - one
might have thought that each will rely on the other
to cut the majority of the Siman (and neither will
cut the majority).
(f) Answer (R. Avin): Indeed, the Beraisa should say 'We are
not concerned for Drasah.'
2. But if they cut with one knife - the concern is not
be that they will make it a Treifah, rather, Drasah
(they will press on the knife)!
(g) Question (R. Avin - Beraisa): If he slaughtered the
Veshet below and the Kaneh above or vice-versa, this is
1. Such a slaughter is not exposed!
(h) Answer (R. Avin): He slaughtered on a slant, it is
(i) An ox was slaughtered in two or three places; R. Yitzchak
bar Shmuel took from the choice parts to eat.
(j) Version #1 - Rashi (R. Zeira): We learn from you that the
Mishnah permits slaughter done by two people, each
holding his own knife.
(k) Version #2 - Tosfos - Question (R. Zeira): Didn't you
teach us that when the Mishnah permits slaughter done by
two people, this is when they are holding one knife?!
(a) (Rav Yehudah): Chaladah (slaughter when the knife is
covered) between the Simanim is invalid; if he cut when
the knife was under the skin, this is Kosher.
(b) Question: We already learned the first law in a Mishnah!
1. (Mishnah - R. Yeshevav): If he Hichlid the knife
under the second Siman and cut it, the animal is a
(c) Answer: One might have thought that the Mishnah only
applies when he cut (the second Siman) from the back of
the neck towards the front; but when he cuts from the
front towards the back, it is Kosher - Rav Yehudah
teaches that this is not so.
2. R. Akiva says, it is a Treifah.
(d) (Rav Yehudah): If he cut when the knife was under the
skin, this is Kosher.
(e) (Bei Rav): I do not know what the law is in this case.
(f) Question: What would Bei Rav say if the knife was under a
cloth, or covered by the animal's wool?
1. This question is unresolved.
(g) Question (Rav Papa): What is the law if he cut the
minority of the Simanim (Rashi - the remaining minority,
after cutting the majority; Tosfos - the beginning of the
slaughter) when the knife was covered?
1. This question is unresolved.
(a) (Mishnah): If one slaughters two heads at once, they are
(b) If two people are holding a knife, even if one (holds)
above and the other below, their slaughter is Kosher.
(c) If one chops off the head at once, this is invalid;
(d) If he slaughtered and chopped off the head - if the knife
is as long as the neck, this is Kosher;
(e) If he slaughtered and chopped off the heads of two
animals - if the knife is as long as one neck, this is
1. This is when he cut in only one direction, either
moving the knife away from himself or drawing it
towards himself; but if he cut in both directions,
no matter how small the knife is, even a tiny razor,
the slaughter is valid.
(f) (Gemara) Question: What is the source (that one must
slide the knife, not chop)?
(g) Answer #1 (Shmuel): "An arrow Shochat" (slaughter is
drawn, like an arrow).
(h) Answer #2 (Tana d'Vei R. Yishmael): "V'Shochat" is a
language of drawing -"Gold Shochat" (slaughter is drawn,
1. Also, it says "An arrow Shochat".
(i) Question: Why is the second verse needed?
(j) Answer: One might have thought, the first verse speaks of
gold spun like a thread.