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Previous daf Chulin 49
CHULIN 47-50 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in
honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.
1) TO WHAT WE ATTRIBUTE PUNCTURES
(a) A needle was found in a piece of the liver. Mar brei
d'Rav Yosef was about to rule that it is Tereifah.
2) A PUNCTURED STOMACH
1. Rav Ashi: Would you say the same if it was found in
flesh? (Since a punctured liver is not Tereifah,
regarding a needle, it is like flesh!)
(b) (Rav Ashi) Rather, we see which way the needle points. If
the needle's head is inside the liver, it surely came
through the Kaneh (and it is Kosher); if the head is
outside, it surely came through the Veshet (and it is
1. This distinction only applies to a thick needle; we
assume that a thin needle to have came through the
Veshet regardless of the direction it faces.
(c) Question: Why is this different than the case of a needle
found in the Beis ha'Kosos (a fold after the first
1. If a needle is found in the Beis ha'Kosos - if only
one wall is punctured, it is Kosher; if both, it is
(d) Answer: Since food and drink pass through the Beis
ha'Kosos, they may have pushed (even the head of the
2. We do not distinguish which way it is pointing!
(e) A needle was found in the great chamber of the liver.
Huna Mar brei d'Rav Idi ruled that it is Tereifah; Rav
Ada bar Minyomi was Machshir.
(f) (Ravina): Huna will have to compensate the owner for
having fed the animal to the dogs (really, it was
(g) (Rav Kahana): If a date pit was found in the gall
bladder, it definitely came from the Kaneh (it is
1. Even though it is too big to leave the Kaneh by
itself, when the animal moves, it becomes wedged in
deeper and deeper, until it eventually leaves.
(h) Regarding an olive pit, it is Tereifah, for it tears.
(i) (R. Yochanan): (The lung) is called Rei'ah because it
improves Re'iyah (vision).
1. This is only if it is eaten with herbs that improve
(j) Question: If the lungs were punctured where the
slaughterer's hand goes - do we say that the slaughterer
caused the hole after slaughter (and it is Kosher), or
(k) Answer #1 (Rav Ada bar Noson): We attribute it to the
(l) Answer #2 (Mar Zutra brei d'Rav Mari): We do not.
1. The law is, we attribute it to the slaughterer.
(m) Question: If the lungs were punctured by a worm, do we
assume that this happened after slaughter?
2. (Rav Mesharshiya): This is reasonable, for if a wolf
took the intestines and returned them punctured, we
attribute the holes to the wolf.
(n) Answer: Rav Yosef bar Dosoy and Rabanan argued on this.
1. The Halachah is, we assume that it happened after
(o) (Mishnah - R. Shimon): A punctured lung is Tereifah only
if the hole goes to the chambers.
(p) (Rabah bar Tachlifa): He refers to the great chamber.
(q) (Rav Acha bar Aba, Rav Bibi): R. Maloch cited R. Yehoshua
ben Levi to say that the Halachah follows R. Shimon.
(r) (Rav Huna): No, R. Yehoshua ben Levi says that the
Halachah is not like R. Shimon.
1. (R. Zeira): R. Maloch and R. Yitzchak bar Ami said
that the Halachah is not lke R. Shimon.
2. The Halachah is not like R. Shimon.
(a) (Mishnah): If the Kevah was punctured (it is Tereifah).
(b) (Rav Yitzchak bar Nachmani): Kohanim would eat the Chelev
on the Kevah, like R. Yishmael who permitted it.
1. (Beraisa - R. Yishmael) Question: "So you will bless
Benei Yisrael" - this teaches that the Kohanim bless
Yisrael, what is the source that the Kohanim are
(c) Question: How does R. Akiva learn that the Kohanim are
2. Answer (R. Yishmael): "I (Hash-m) will bless them".
3. Question (R. Akiva) The Torah commands the Kohanim
to bless Yisrael - how do we know that Hash-m
4. Answer: "I (Hash-m) will bless them."
(d) Answer (Rav Nachman): "(Hash-m) will bless those that
(e) (Beraisa - R. Yishmael): "*And* all the Chelev on the
Kerev (innards)" - this comes to include the Chelev on
the small intestines;
3) WHICH "CHELEV" CAN SEAL A HOLE
1. R. Akiva says, it comes to include the Chelev on the
(f) Contradiction (Beraisa - R. Yishmael): "And the Chelev on
(some texts read - The Chelev that covers) the Kerev" -
just like the Chelev covering the Kerev is a membrane
that can be peeled off, also all such Chelev (of a
Shelamim is offered, and is forbidden to eat even in
1. R. Akiva says, just like the Chelev covering the
Kerev is a membrane spread over it that can be
peeled off, also all such Chelev (is offered in
Kodshim and forbidden in Chulin).
(g) Answer #1 (Ravin): The opinions in the first Beraisa must
1. Question: Why not switch the opinions in the second
(h) Objection: But R. Yitzchak bar Nachmani taught that
Kohanim were lenient like R. Yishmael!
2. Answer: Since the second Beraisa details the
opinions so precisely, presumably it is accurate.
(i) Answer #2 (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): R. Yishmael said in
his father's name that the Chelev on the Kevah is
permitted; he himself holds it is forbidden.
(a) (Rav): If Chelev that is permitted (to eat) seals a hole,
it is as if there is no hole (regarding Tereifos);
forbidden Chelev does not seal a hole.
(b) (Rav Sheshes): Both types of Chelev can seal holes.
(c) Question (R. Zeira): Can Chelev covering the Kerev in a
Chayah seal holes (according to Rav)?
1. If we understand Rav very literally, all permitted
Chelev seals, all forbidden Chelev does not seal -
all Chelev of Chayos seals, for it is permitted;
(d) Answer (Abaye): This is obvious - even though the Chelev
is permitted, it does not cling.
2. If Rav teaches that permitted Chalavim cling to the
punctured organ, forbidden Chalavim do not
(presumably, this depends on which organ the Chelev
covers, whether in a Behemos or Chayah), this Chelev
does not cling to the Kerev.
(e) An animal was brought before Rava; forbidden Chelev
covered a puncture.
1. Rava: The animal is permitted. We rely on Rav
Sheshes' opinion; also, the Torah is concerned for
the money of Yisrael.
(f) (Rav Nachman): Chelev in the shape of a hat does not
2. Objection (Rav Papa): We cannot be lenient about a
Torah prohibition because the Torah is concerned for
the money of Yisrael!
3. A man asked Rava about honey that had been exposed.
4. Rava: The honey is permitted. Firstly, a Mishnah
teaches that only wine, water and milk become
forbidden if exposed;
i. Secondly, the Torah is concerned for the money
5. Objection (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): The Torah's
concern for the money of Yisrael does not override
mortal danger and R. Shimon's opinion!
i. (Beraisa): The following liquids are not
forbidden through exposure - brine, vinegar,
oil, and honey.
6. Rava: At least admit to me that brine does not
become forbidden - Rav Papa and other Chachamim
would put exposed liquids into brine to permit them!
ii. R. Shimon: They are forbidden - I saw a snake
iii. Chachamim: That was a deranged snake, normal
snakes do not drink these.
7. Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak: Admit to me that honey
becomes forbidden, for (not only R. Shimon, but
also) R. Shimon ben Elazar forbids this.
i. (Beraisa - R. Shimon ben Elazar): Exposed honey
1. Question: To which Chelev does he refer?
(g) (Rava): Rav Nachman taught that either Chimtza or Bar
Chimtza (two Chalavim on the Kevah) seals, but not both -
I don't know which seals.
2. Answer #1: He refers to Chelev at the end of the
3. Answer #2 He refers to the Chelev over the heart.
(h) (Rav Chinena): Only Bar Chimtza seals.
(i) Question: Which is Chimtza, which is Bar Chimtza?
(j) Answer: We learn from Rav Nachman.
1. (Rav Nachman): In Eretz Yisrael, they eat (one of
these Chalavim) - we (in Bavel) may not rely on it
2. Version #1: Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael and Bavel
agree that Chelev of the Keshes (bow, i.e. on the
outside of the Kevah, which is bow-shaped) is
forbidden; they argue about the Chelev of the string
(inside of the bow - this is Bar Chimtza, all agree
that it seals).
3. Version #2: Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael and Bavel
agree that the Chelev of the string is permitted;
they argue about the Chelev of the bow. (Rashi -
according to this, all Chelev on the Kevah seals -
this is unlike Rav Nachman (g); Tosfos - it is like
Rav Nachman, but we must say that his teaching (j:1)
was not said in wonderment, rather simply - in Eretz
Yisrael, they eat (Chelev of the bow, this is Bar
Chimtza); we (in Bavel do not eat it, we) cannot
even rely on it that it seals!