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Previous daf Chulin 72
CHULIN 71-72 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in
honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.
1) THE "CHIDUSH" OF RABAH'S TEACHING
(a) Question (Rava): Why must Rabah teach about Tum'ah and
Taharah Belu'ah - both may be derived from Mishnayos!
2) THE SOURCE FOR R. AKIVA AND R. YISHMAEL'S TEACHINGS
1. (Mishnah): If one swallowed a Tamei ring, after he
immerses, he may eat Terumah (even though the ring
touches and moves inside his innards, he remains
(b) Answer: Rabah taught about swallowing two rings, one
Tahor, one Tamei, that the Tamei ring does not Metamei
the Tahor one.
2. (Mishnah): If one swallowed a Tahor ring and entered
a room with a Mes, and after he became Tahor, he
vomited out the ring, it is still Tahor.
(c) Question: But a midwife that touches a fetus (in our
Mishnah) is like two swallowed rings, yet she becomes
(d) Answer #1 (Rabah): A fetus is not considered Tum'ah
Belu'ah, because it is destined to leave the womb.
(e) Objection (Rava): A swallowed ring is also destined to
leave the digestive tract!
(f) Answer #2 (Rava citing Rav Yosef): The midwife is not
Teme'ah mid'Oraisa, rather mid'Rabanan.
(g) Question: It suffices to say, she is only Teme'ah
(h) Answer: He comes to teach that the Mishnah is not only
like R. Akiva, who is Metamei a dead fetus inside the
womb (mid'Oraisa), rather, it is even like R. Yishmael,
who is Metaher;
1. Chachamim decreed that a midwife who touches it
2. Question: Why did they decree?
3. Answer: Perhaps the fetus' head came out (and she
did not see it), and she does not realize that she
4. Question: If so, the mother should also be Teme'ah!
5. Answer: The mother can feel if the head came out.
6. Question: If so, she will tell the midwife!
7. Answer: In the throes of labor, she might neglect to
(a) Question: Where do R. Akiva and R. Yishmael argue about
3) A LIMB THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED THROUGH SLAUGHTER
(b) Answer (Beraisa - R. Yishmael): "Anything that will touch
(a Mes) on the face of the field (will become Tamei)" -
this excludes (touching) a fetus in the womb;
1. R. Akiva says, this includes (touching) a Golel and
Dofek (Rashi - a coffin cover and a support for the
cover; Tosfos - a monument and stones marking the
location of the coffin).
(c) Question: What is R. Akiva's source to say that a (dead)
fetus in the womb is Tamei?
2. R. Yishmael learns Golel and Dofek from a tradition
from Moshe from Sinai.
(d) Answer (R. Oshiya): "If one touches a Mes in a Nefesh" -
this refers to a fetus in the womb.
1. R. Yishmael learns from this verse that a Revi'is of
blood from a corpse is Tamei (like a full corpse),
for the blood is the Nefesh.
2. R. Akiva holds that even a Revi'is of blood that
came from two corpses is Tamei.
i. (Beraisa - R. Akiva): "On all dead *Nefashos*
he will not come" - this teaches that a Revi'is
of blood from two corpses is Metamei in an
(a) (Mishnah): A fetus stuck a limb out of the womb. It was
cut off, then the mother was slaughtered - the meat (the
rest of the fetus) is Tahor.
(b) R. Meir says, if the mother was slaughtered and then the
limb was cut off, the meat (of the fetus) is Tamei
because it touched a Neveilah;
1. Chachamim say, it is like meat that touched a
slaughtered Treifah (this will be explained).
(c) Chachamim: We find that slaughtering a Treifah is Metaher
(inhibits Tum'as Neveilah) - similarly, slaughtering the
mother is Metaher the limb of the fetus (that left the
1. R. Meir: Slaughter is Metaher the animal itself -
you have no source that slaughter is Metaher
something else (the limb, which is not part of the
(d) Question: What is the source that a slaughtered Treifah
1. We should compare it to a Tamei (species of) animal
- just like slaughter does not permit eating a Tamei
animal, and it becomes a Neveilah, the same should
apply to a Treifah!
(e) Answer #1: We do not learn from a Tamei animal, for it
was never fit to be permitted.
(f) Rejection: A Tahor animal that was born Treifah was never
fit to be permitted, yet slaughter prevents it from
(g) Answer #2: We do not learn from a Tamei animal, for
slaughter does not apply to the species (to permit eating
(h) Slaughter does not Metaher a Nefel (stillborn calf),
since slaughter does not apply to Nefalim (they are like
a species unto themselves.)
(i) (Gemara) Question: According to R. Meir, how does the
fetus become Tamei - it touches the forbidden limb
internally, not externally!
(j) Answer #1: This is consistent with R. Meir's opinion that
Tum'ah is transferred by internal contact.
1. (Mishnah - R. Meir): If a Mishkav (something people
sit on) three Tefachim by three Tefachim was Tamei
Medras (an Av ha'Tum'ah, i.e. a Zav or Nidah sat on
it) and it was torn in two, each piece is not Tamei
Medras (it is too small to sit on), but it is Tamei
because it touched a Tamei Mishkav;
(k) Objection: Even R. Yosi agrees in our case!
2. R. Yosi: The pieces did not touch the whole Mishkav!
They are Tamei only if the Mishkav had (also)
received (standard) Tum'ah (an Av ha'Tum'ah touched
1. (Ula): They argue only if each piece is less than
three by three Tefachim, but if a piece three
fingers by three fingers was cut off, leaving three
by three Tefachim, all agree that the former piece
became Tamei when it was cut off (for it touched the
latter, which remians an Av ha'Tum'ah.)
2. Here also, when the limb is cut off, it makes the