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1) WHEN IS A BUTCHER BELIEVED?
(a) A butcher (Reuven) said to Shimon 'Had you been friendly
with me, I would have given you from a fattened ox I
2) MEAT THAT WAS NOT WATCHED
1. Shimon: I ate from the best part of it!
(b) Version #1 (Rebbi): Just because Reuven acted improperly
(he sold a Tereifah to a Nochri meat vendor), we will not
forbid people to buy today from Nochrim (since most of
the butchers are Yisraelim)! (Rashi; Tosfos - Just
because Reuven acted improperly (he sold a Tereifah
without announcing), we will not forbid people to buy
from other Nochrim!)
2. Reuven: Where did you get a part?
3. Shimon: From a Nochri that bought it from you.
4. Reuven: I slaughtered two fattened oxen yesterday,
he bought the Tereifah.
(c) This is consistent with another teaching of Rebbi.
1. (Rebbi): When the butchers in the meat markets are
Yisraelim, meat found by a Nochri is assumed to be
(d) Version #2 (Rebbi): Just because (Reuven) wants to annoy
Shimon (by pretending to have sold a Tereifah without
announcing), we will not forbid people to buy today from
(e) Inference: If not that Reuven was trying to annoy Shimon,
we would forbid people to buy today from Nochrim!
(f) Contradiction (Beraisa - Rebbi): When the butchers in the
meat markets are Yisraelim, meat found by a Nochri is
assumed to be Kosher.
(g) Answer: This case (if Reuven really sold a Tereifah) is
different, for we know that there is Tereifah meat in the
(a) (Rav): Meat that was (at least for a moment) not watched
(b) Question (Beraisa - Rebbi): When the butchers in the meat
markets are Yisraelim, meat found by a Nochri is assumed
to be Kosher.
(c) Answer: Meat found by a Nochri is different (we are not
concerned that ravens switched it with meat from a place
where most butchers are not Yisraelim.)
1. Question (Beraisa): If nine stores in the city sell
slaughtered meat and one sells Neveilah, and a man
is not sure from which he bought, the meat is
(d) Answer: The meat was found by a Nochri.
2. If meat is found, we go after the majority.
(e) Question (Mishnah): If meat was found in a city:
1. If the majority of butchers are Yisraelim, we assume
that it is Kosher; if not, it is Neveilah;
(f) Answer: The case is, Reuven saw a person drop the meat
(he could not tell whether or not the person was a
2. If cooked meat is found, we go after the majority of
3. Suggestion: Perhaps here also, the meat was found by
4. Rejection: If so, if it was cooked, we would not
follow the majority!
i. If a Yisrael has it, it is Kosher; if a Nochri
has it, it is not!
(g) Question (Mishnah): If meat was found outside
1. Whole limbs are assumed to be Neveilah (they are
cast whole into the wasteheap), pieces are
(h) Answer: Rav explains that the Seifa does not permit
pieces to be eaten:
2. Suggestion: Perhaps here also, the finder saw a
person drop the meat.
3. Rejection: If so, we would not assume that a whole
limb is Neveilah (it was not meant for the
1. (Rav): The Seifa only says that pieces are not
considered Neveilah (they are not Metamei, one who
eats them is not lashed, but it is forbidden to eat
them, since they were not under constant watch);
(i) Rav's law was not said explicitly, it was derived from
something he said.
2. (Levi): Pieces may be eaten.
1. Rav saw a man washing a head in the river. It fell
in; the man took a basket and scooped out two heads.
2. (Rav): We do not know from whom the other head fell,
so both are forbidden.
(j) Question: What difference does it make whether or not Rav
explicitly said his law?
(k) Answer: Perhaps Rav only said this in a city where most
butchers are Nochrim.
3. Question (Rav Kahana): Perhaps the other head was
4. Answer (Rav): It is more likely that it was
1. Support: Rav said that forbidden meat is more
(l) Question: According to Rav, how is one allowed to eat
(m) Answer #1: It was watched from slaughter until it was
(n) Answer #2: It is wrapped and sealed, or there is a
special Siman on it.
1. Rabah bar Rav Huna would cut his meat on three
(a) Rav went to visit his son-in-law; the ferry was coming
towards him, he considered this to be an omen that he
would have a pleasant lodging.
1. At the house, he looked through a crack in the door
and saw hanging meat. Rav knocked, and everyone
came; only Rav kept watching the meat.
(b) Rav would decide (whether or not to go) based on the
ferry (if it came to greet him); Shmuel would decide
based on Safra; R. Yochanan would ask a child which verse
he is learning. (Rashi; Rambam - a good Siman would make
them happy, but it is forbidden to act upon it.)
2. Rav: (If not for me) would you feed my grandchildren
Isur (forbidden food)?! Rav did not eat from the
3. Question: But Rav kept watching it!
4. Version #1 - Rashi - Answer #1: He did not eat it,
for this would be like Nichush (to fulfill the omen
that he would have a good day.)
5. Objection: But Rav taught, only a (two-sided)
Nichush (one says what he will do if the Siman he
requests is fulfilled, and if it is not), like that
of Eliezer (Eved Avraham) and Yonason (ben Sha'ul)
6. Version #2 - Radak (Shmuel 1:14) - Answer #1: He did
not eat it because of Nichush (everyone had
neglected the meat, this was a bad omen.)
7. Objection: But Rav taught, only a Nichush like that
of Eliezer and Yonason is reliable! (End of Version
8. Answer #2: Rather, Rav would only eat at a meal that
is a Mitzvah.
(c) When Rav was alive, R. Yochanan would address letters to
him 'To our teacher in Bavel'; after Rav died, he would
write (to Shmuel) 'To our colleague in Bavel'.
1. Shmuel wanted to show that also he was a Rebbi to R.
Yochanan in some respect. He sent to him the times
of the Molad (new moon) for the next 60 years.
(d) R. Yochanan asked a child what verse he was learning; the
child replied, "Shmuel died", so he did not go. (Kesef
Mishnah - this is unlike Nichush that the Rambam forbids,
for he asked about something in the past, i.e. whether or
not Shmuel already died. Beis Yosef - it is forbidden
only if one explicitly says that he acts according to the
2. R. Yochanan: That is mere calculations!
3. Shmuel sent him 13 camels laden with (Tosfos - 13
scrolls of) Safek Tereifos (Rashi - alternatively,
the Safek (Tamei or Tahor) birds of Perek
4. R. Yochanan: He is a Rebbi to me, I will visit him.
1. Shmuel had not died - Hash-m did not want R.
Yochanan to exert himself.
(e) (Beraisa - R. Shimon ben Elazar): Even though we don't
act based on omens, we may act based on Simanim.
(f) R. Elazar: We may only act on it if it has worked three
times - "Yosef is missing, Shimon is missing, if you will
take Binyamin (every affliction will come upon me)".
(a) Version #1 - Question (Rav Huna): If meat on a string was
not watched, what is the law?
(b) Answer (Rav): Of course it is a Siman (that it is the
same meat, it is permitted.)
(c) Version #2 (Rav Huna): Meat on a string is a Siman (it is
permitted, even if it was not watched.) (end of Version
(d) On Erev Yom Kipur, ravens dropped livers and kidneys.
(e) Rav Nachman: They are permitted - most meat slaughtered
today is Kosher.
(f) R. Chiya bar Avin lost the end of the intestines. He did
not have a Siman, but he recognized them.
(g) Rav Huna: They are permitted to you.
(h) R. Chanina Chuza'ah lost a back of meat. He did not have
a Siman, but he recognized them; Rav Nachman permitted
(i) R. Noson bar Abaye lost Techeiles. He did not have a
Siman, but he recognized them; Rav Chisda permitted him
to use it (for Tzitzis.)