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1) ESTIMATING "NESINAS TA'AM"
(a) Question: Does Chelev really forbid the rest of the
1. A case occurred, a kid was roasted with its Chelev,
and R. Yochanan permitted it, except for the areas
around the Chelev!
(b) Answer #1: It was a thin kid (its Chelev does not spread,
or it did not have enough Chelev to give Ta'am to the
(c) Answer #2 (Rav Huna bar Yehudah): The case was, a kidney
was cooked with its Chelev; R. Yochanan permitted the
(d) Answer #3 (Ravin bar Rav Ada): A kidney was cooked in a
pot with its Chelev; R. Yochanan said that a Kefeila
(Nochri chef) should see if he tastes Chelev in the
(e) Question (Rava - Beraisa): One may not cook milk in a pot
in which meat was cooked;
1. If he did, and the milk absorbed the Ta'am of meat,
the milk is forbidden;
(f) Answer (Rava): We rely on a Kefeila, like R. Yochanan
2. One may not cook Chulin in a pot in which Terumah
i. If he did, and the Terumah gave taste to the
Chulin, the Chulin must be eaten (by a Kohen,
in Taharah,) like Terumah.
3. We understand the case of Terumah, a Kohen may taste
4. (Summation of question): One may not taste the milk,
perhaps it is forbidden!
(g) (Rava): Sometimes, Chachamim say that we taste food (to
see if it absorbed taste); sometimes, we rely on a
Kefeila; sometimes, we say that an Isur is Batul if and
only if it was mixed with 60 times its own volume of
Heter (permitted food):
4) FORBIDDEN ABSORPTIONS
1. If diverse foods were mixed, and all are permitted
to (some) Jew, the Jew tastes it;
2. If diverse foods were mixed, and one of them is
forbidden to all Jews, a Kefeila tastes it;
3. In the following two cases an Isur is Batul in 60
times its own volume:
i. If identical foods were mixed (but one is
ii. If diverse foods were mixed, one is forbidden
and a Kefeila is not available.
(a) Some thighs were salted with the Gid ha'Nasheh inside.
Ravina forbade them, Rav Acha permitted them.
(b) (Mar bar Rav Ashi): My father permits them.
(c) Question (Rav Acha, to Ravina): Do you forbid them
because Shmuel taught that salted food is like Rose'ach
(boiling hot), and pickling is like cooking?
1. But Shmuel forbade the thigh only if it was cooked
with the Gid; if it was roasted, it suffices to peel
off the layer around the Gid!
(d) (R. Chanina): When estimating whether an Isur (Tosfos - a
forbidden absorption in a pot) is a 60th of the mixture,
we include the gravy, the sediment, the solid pieces, and
2. Suggestion: Shmuel said that salted food is like
Rose'ach - perhaps he means, like cooking.
3. Rejection: Since he said that pickling is like
cooking, we infer that salting is not, rather it is
i. This is left difficult.
1. Version #1: 'The pot' refers to (the volume of the
walls of) the pot itself.
(e) (R. Avahu): If an Isur became mixed with other food, and
we cannot test whether or not it gives Ta'am (since both
have the same taste, or there is no one around permitted
to sample it), we gauge whether the same volume (as the
Isur) of onions or leeks would give taste to the mixture.
2. Version #2: 'The pot' refers to the Heter absorbed
in the walls of the pot.
(f) Question (R. Aba): Why not gauge using peppers or spices,
even minute quantities of them give taste!
(g) Answer (Abaye): Chachamim gauged, no Isur is Nosen Ta'am
more than onions and leeks.
(h) (Rav Nachman): The Gid ha'Nasheh does not forbid a
mixture 60 times its own size - it itself is not counted
towards 60 parts of mixture;
1. A (cooked) udder does not forbid a mixture 60 times
its own size - it itself is counted towards the 60
(parts of mixture);
(i) (R. Yitzchak brei d'Rav Mesharshiya): The udder itself is
forbidden; if it falls into another pot, it forbids that
pot (if it is more than one part in 60.)
2. An egg does not forbid a mixture 60 times its own
size - it itself is not counted towards the 60.
(j) Question: Must the first pot have 60 times the volume of
the entire udder (to be permitted), or only what exuded
(k) Answer: It must be, the entire udder - we do not know how
(l) Question: If so, if the udder falls into another pot, it
should not forbid it (since we assume that all the
forbidden taste left the udder)!
(m) Answer: Since the udder itself becomes forbidden, we view
it like a Neveilah (which is always forbidden and forbids