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1) THE REQUIRED SEPARATION BETWEEN MEAT AND MILK
(a) (Agra, father-in-law of R. Aba - Beraisa): Fowl and
cheese may be eaten wantonly.
2) FOLLOWING ONE'S FATHER
1. (Agra): This means, one need not wash his hands or
clean his mouth in between.
(b) Rav Yitzchak brei d'Rav Mesharshiya visited Rav Ashi; he
ate cheese and then beef without washing his hands in
(c) Onlookers: But Agra's Beraisa permits eating *fowl* and
cheese wantonly - this implies that beef and cheese may
(d) Rav Yitzchak: That applies at night - during the day, one
can see that his hands are clean.
(e) (Beraisa - Beis Shamai): One cleans his mouth (between
meat and milk);
(f) Beis Hillel say, he washes his hands.
(g) Question: What does this mean?
1. Version #1 (Rashi) Suggestion: Beis Shamai say, he
must clean his mouth, he need not wash his hands;
Beis Hillel says, he must wash his hands, he need
not clean his mouth.
(h) Answer #1: Rather, Beis Shamai say, he must clean his
mouth, he need not wash his hands; Beis Hillel says, he
must *also* wash his hands.
2. Version #2 (Tosfos) Suggestion: Beis Shamai say, it
*suffices* to clean his mouth (or he may wash his
hands, which is better); Beis Hillel say, he must
wash his hands, cleaning the mouth does not suffice.
(End of Version #2)
3. Rejection: R. Zeira taught that bread must be used
to clean the mouth - does he teach according to Beis
(i) Question: If so, this should be taught (in Maseches
Idiyos) among the laws in which Beis Shamai are lenient
and Beis Hillel are stringent!
(j) Answer #2: Rather, Beis Shamai say, he must clean his
mouth - in truth, he must also wash his hands;
1. Beis Hillel say, he must wash his hands - in truth,
he must also clean his mouth;
(k) (R. Zeira): Bread must be used to clean the mouth.
2. Each said a different law, they do not argue.
1. It must be wheat bread, not barley bread.
(l) The law is, anything may be used, except for flour, dates
2. The bread must be cold - if it is hot, it will stick
to his palate.
3. It must be soft, not hard.
(m) Question (R. Asi): How long must one wait between meat
(n) Answer (R. Yochanan): He need not wait at all.
(o) Question: But Rav Chisda taught, if one ate meat, he may
not eat cheese (right away); if one ate cheese, he may
(p) Correction: Rather, R. Asi asked how long must one wait
between cheese and meat; R. Yochanan answered, he need
not wait at all.
(q) (Rav Chisda): If one ate meat, he may not eat cheese
(right away); if one ate cheese, he may eat meat.
(r) Question (Rav Acha bar Yosef): Is meat stuck between
teeth considered meat (to forbid one to eat cheese)?
(s) Answer (Rav Chisda): "The meat was still between their
teeth" (it is still considered meat).
(a) (Mar Ukva): I am base in comparison to my virtuous father
- he would not eat cheese for 24 hours after eating meat,
but I eat cheese at the next meal!
3) WASHING BEFORE AND AFTER A MEAL
(b) (Mar Ukva held that because his general level of piety
was much lower than his father's, it was improper for him
to be as stringent as his father.)
(c) (Shmuel): I am much worse at caring for my property than
my father - he would oversee his property twice a day, I
only oversee it once a day.
1. (Shmuel): If one oversees his property every day, he
profits from this.
2. Abaye would oversee his property every day - one
day, he caught his sharecropper trying to steal
3. R. Asi would oversee his property every day; he was
disappointed that he was not profiting from this.
i. One day he saw water flowing out of an
irrigation ditch, about to ruin his fruit. He
was able to dam it up - he realized, it was
worth looking every day for this one savings.
(a) (Rav Idi bar Avin): Washing before the meal is a Mitzvah;
washing after the meal is an obligation.
(b) Question (Beraisa): Washing before and after the meal is
an obligation; washing during the meal is Reshus
(c) Answer: Washing before the meal is really a Mitzvah - the
Tana calls it an obligation in comparison to Reshus
(washing during the meal.)
(d) (Beraisa): Washing before and after the meal is an
obligation; washing during the meal is Reshus;
1. One may wash before the meal into a vessel, or on
(e) Washing before the meal may be done with hot or cold
water; washing after the meal must be with cold water,
because hot water causes the filth to be absorbed in the
2. Version #1: Washing after the meal must be done into
3. Version #2: One may not wash after the meal on the
4. Question: What is the difference between the two
5. Answer: They argue about washing over pieces of wood
(they are not vessels, yet this is not considered
washing on the ground).
(f) Version #1 (Beraisa): Washing before the meal may be done
with hot or cold water...
(g) (Rav Yitzchak bar Yosef): One may not use water that is
Yad Soledes Bo (one who touches it will withdraw his
4) THINGS ABAYE DID NOT KNOW
(h) Version #2 (Beraisa): Washing after the meal may not be
done with hot water.
(i) (Rav Yitzchak bar Yosef): If the water is not Yad Soledes
Bo, it may be used.
1. We infer that Yad Soledes Bo water *may* be used to
wash before the meal.
(j) (Beraisa): Washing during the meal is Reshus.
(k) (Rav Nachman): This is only between similar courses (e.g.
both meat) - but washing between dairy and meat courses
is an obligation.
(l) (Rav Yehudah brei d'R. Chiya): Washing after the meal is
an obligation because of Sodom salt, which blinds the
(m) (Abaye): A miniscule amount of such salt is found in a
large amount of salt.
(n) Question (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): If one measures out
salt, must he wash his hands?
(o) Answer (Rav Ashi): He need not.
(p) (Abaye): I used to think that we do not wash after the
meal onto the ground on account of the filth - my Rebbi
(Rabah) taught, it is because of the evil spirit that
rests on the water.
(a) (Abaye): I used to think that we do not take something
from the table in front of someone who is drinking
because he may get angry - Rabah taught, it is because of
the spirit of Tzarda (dazing spells).
1. This is a problem only if the object is taken more
than four Amos from the table, it is not returned,
and it is something needed for the meal.
(b) (Abaye): I used to think that we gather crumbs for the
sake of cleanliness - Rabah taught, it is to avoid
2. Mar bar Rav Ashi was careful about grinders, because
spices are needed for the meal.
1. A certain man was always careful with crumbs; the
angel appointed over poverty was never able to
conquer him. One day, the man ate bread over grass;
he dug up the area and threw the dirt (including the
crumbs) into the river. He heard the angel despair
over its defeat.
(c) (Abaye): I used to think that we do not drink froth (on
top of a liquid that was poured) because it is repulsive
- Rabah taught, because it leads to Karsam (a nasal drip
1. Drinking the froth leads to Karsam; blowing it is
bad for the head; pushing it to the side leads to
(d) (Abaye): I used to think that we do not eat a vegetable
straight from the bundle, because it appears gluttonous -
Rabah taught, it makes one susceptible to witchcraft.
2. Questions: What should one do with it, and what is
the remedy for Karsam?
3. Answer - part 1: One should press the froth into the
liquid until it settles;
4. Answer #2: If the Karsam was caused by froth of wine
- he should drink beer; if it was caused by froth of
beer - he should drink water;
i. If it was caused by froth of water, there is no
ii. Poverty pursues a poor man (he only has water
1. Rav Chisda and Rabah bar Rav Huna went on a boat; a
woman wanted to sit by them, but they refused. She
said something, which stopped the boat; they said
something which allowed the boat to go.
(e) (Abaye): I used to think that we do not eat a vegetable
that fell on the tray because it is repulsive - Rabah
taught, it leads to mouth odor.
2. The woman: I cannot harm you, because you do not
clean yourselves (in the bathroom) with pottery, you
do not kill lice on your clothing, and you do not
eat vegetables straight from the bundle.
(f) (Abaye): I used to think that we don't sit under gutter
pipes on account of the water which flows down - Rabah
taught, Mazikim (damaging spirits) frequent the area.
1. Two men were carrying a barrel; they rested it under
a gutter pipe. A Mazik broke it; Mar bar Rav Ashi
excommunicated the Mazik; it came before Mar bar Rav
(g) (Abaye): I used to think that we spill water from the top
of a barrel on account of chips of wood that float on top
- Rabah taught, it is because Mazikim may have drunk from
2. Mar bar Rav Ashi: Why did you break the barrel?
3. The Mazik: I had no choice, I was sleeping there,
they put it on my ear!
4. Mar bar Rav Ashi: What were you doing in a place
where many people go? You acted improperly, so you
5. Mar bar Rav Ashi agreed to give it time to pay. The
Mazik was late - it explained, we may not take from
what is wrapped, sealed, measured or counted.
1. There was a Shed (a being with similarities to
people and angels) that used to serve Rav Papa; it
went to get water from the river - it delayed a long
time, until the water on top flowed away. When it
returned, it saw that in Rav Papa's house, they
would spill out the top water - it had waited for