REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Chulin 19
CHULIN 19-20 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs.
Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb
Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the
merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his
Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.
(a) What objection did Rav Chanan bar Ketina raise, when Rav Nachman
validated 'Shiyer be'Chiti' up to the Shipuy Kova?
(b) Rav Nachman replied that he knew nothing about 'Chilak' or 'Bilak'.
What did we initially interpret this to mean?
(c) Based on a Sugya in Cheilek, however, we reject that explanation.
do the terms appear to mean there?
(d) Rav Nachman bases his ruling on a statement in the name of Rebbi
Yochanan (Rebbi Chanina or Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi).
What did he say?
(a) What did Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi say about the Mugremes of ...
(b) Why is Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's statement not obvious?
- ... the Rabbanan?
- ... Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah?
(c) Indeed, how do we know that Rebbi Chanina ben Antignos is not referring
to the statement of the Rabbanan ('u'Mugremes Pesulah') that precedes it?
(d) On what grounds do we rule like Rebbi Chanina ben Antignos?
(a) Rav Huna Amar Rav Asi confines the Machlokes between Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi
Yehudah and the Rabbanan to where the Shochet Shechted two thirds inside the
Taba'as ha'Gedolah, and one third outside.
What is then the basis of their
(b) In which case will Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah concede that the
Shechitah is Pasul?
(c) Rav Chisda asked Rav Huna why he did not learn the other way round.
What did he mean by that? In which case would they then be arguing?
(d) What will the Rabbanan hold in the previous case (where he first
Shechted two thirds inside the Taba'as, and one third, outside)?
(a) In the current version of the Machlokes, Rebbi Yossi be'Rebbi Yehudah
learns his ruling from 'Chatzi Kanah Pagum'.
What does he prove from
(b) In that case, why will Shechting the difference between a third and the
majority not suffice (like in the case of 'Chatzi Kanah Pagum', where the
broken half-Si'man combines to the Mashehu Shechitah)?
(c) And how do the Rabbanan counter this?
(a) What does Rav Chisda prove from the Mishnah in Perek ha'Shochet 'Rubo
shel Echad Kamohu'?
(b) How does Rav Yosef refute ...
(c) How will Rav Yosef explain the Rabbanan in our Mishnah, who say 'M'lo
ha'Chut al P'nei Kulah'?
- ... this proof?
- ... Abaye, who asks whether the author of every Rov in Shas is Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah?
(a) In the second Lashon, Rav Huna Amar Rav Asi establishes the Machlokes
when the Shochet Shechted the first third beyond the Taba'as ha'Gedolah, and
the remainder within it, as Rav Chisda learned in the first Lashon.
what grounds does Rav Chisda now argue with Rav Huna? How does he refute Rav
Huna's proof from the Mishnah 'Rubo shel Echad Kamohu'?
(b) In a case where the Shochet first Shechted a third beyond the Makom
Shechitah, a third inside, and the last third outside again, Rav Huna Amar
Rav declares it Kasher.
Why is that?
(c) How will we reconcile Rav Huna with his previous ruling, where he
declared Tereifah even where the Shochet Shechted one third outside the
Makom Shechitah and two thirds inside?
(d) What does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav say? Why is that?
(e) What did Rav Yehudah Amar Rav rule in the reverse case (where one
Shechted a third inside, a third outside and a third inside)?
(a) Regarding the current case, what did Rav Huna do that made Rav Yehudah
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(b) What was Rav Huna's response? Besides the fact that the majority of the
animal was Shechted, how else did he justify Rav Yehudah's anger'?
(c) Why did Rav Chisda advise Rav Huna not to retract? What would he have
stood to lose if he had?
(d) What did Rav Chisda therefore conclude?
(a) What She'eilah did they ask Rav Nachman, when he arrived in Sura?
(b) He tried to resolve it from a statement by Rebbi Elazar bar Minyumi.
What did Rebbi Elazar bar Minyumi say about a Shechitah which resembles a
comb? What did Rav Nachman try to prove from there?
(c) If, as they replied, the Beraisa is talking about a Shechitah which
takes place all inside the Makom Shechitah, what is the Chidush?
(a) Where was Rebbi Aba sitting when Rebbi Kahana asked Rav Yehudah a series
(b) What did Rav Yehudah rule when Rav Kahana asked him what the Din will be
in a case of ...
(c) He then asked him about Shachat be'Makom Nekev and Shachat u'Paga
- ... Shachat Shelish Ve'higrim Shelish Ve'shachat Shelish?
- ... Higrim Shelish Ve'shachat Shelish Ve'higrim Shelish?
What is the meaning of 'Shachat ...
(d) What did Rav Yehudah rule in both of the latter cases?
- ... be'Makom Nekev'?
- ... u'Paga be'Nekev'?
(a) What did Rebbi Elazar do when Rebbi Aba informed him of Rav Yehudah's
(b) How did Rebbi Elazar explain the difference between the two rulings to
(c) Rebbi Yochanan disagreed with his explanation regarding 'Paga be'Nekev'
What did he exclaim when he heard it?
(d) Rava later concurred with Rebbi Yochanan.
What distinction did he draw
between an Akum finishing the Shechitah and 'Paga be'Nekev'?
(a) What does our Mishnah say about Shechting an animal from ...
(b) Seeing as Shechting an animal from the side of the neck is permitted
Lechatchilah, why does the Tana use the Lashon 'ha'Shochet', implying
- ... the side of the neck?
- ... the back of the neck ('Mul Oref')? Why is that?
(c) And what does the Tana say about performing Melikah on a bird of Kodshim
in the same two locations?
(d) Why is the Melikah ...
- ... Pasul in the first case?
- ... not Pasul in the second (in the same way as it is Pasul regarding an animal)?
(a) What does the Tana say about Shechting and performing Melikah from the
Tzavar (the front part of the neck)?
(b) What problem do we have with the Mishnah 'ha'Shochet min ha'Oref,
Shechitaso Pesulah' (if taken literally)?
(c) So how do we interpret 'min ha'Oref'? How do we prove it from the Seifa?
(a) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah ...
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(b) How do the B'nei Rebbi Chiya describe the Mitzvah of Melikah?
- ... "Ki Panu Eilai Oref ve'Lo Panim"?
- ... "ve'Hu Yoshev mi'Muli"?
(c) What are the two ways of interpreting their statement?
(d) We prefer to say 'Af Machzir', because we learned in our Mishnah
'ha'Shochet min ha'Oref, Shechitaso Pesulah, ha'Molek min ha'Oref, Melikaso
What do we prove from there? What would be the problem if we
held Machzir Davka?