REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Chulin 76
CHULIN 76-78 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in
honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.
(a) Our Mishnah now discusses the Tereifus connected with the hind legs.
What does the Tana say about an animal whose legs are severed ...
(b) And what does he say about one whose ...
- ... from the Arkuvah downwards?
- ... from the Arkuvah upwards?
(c) What does he say about the broken limb itself?
- ... Tzomes ha'Gidin (the nerve junction that is situated on the hind legs) has been removed?
- ... if a bone in the hind leg is broken?
(d) Rav Yehudah Amar Rav quoting Rebbi Chiya, describes the 'Arkuvah' in our
Mishnah as the one that is sold together with the head.
Which limb is
(e) How does he then interpret ...
- ... 'Lematah min ha'Arkuvah' that is Kasher?
- ... 'le'Ma'alah min ha'Arkuvah' that is Tereifah?
(a) Ula Amar Rebbi Hoshaya explains 'Arkuva' as the one that can be seen
protruding from the front of a camel's leg.
Which one is that?
(b) How does he then ...
(c) Why did Ula reject Rav Yehudah's answer, making two cases out of a cut
in the leg and the removal of the Tzomes ha'Gidim?
- ... explain 'Lematah and Lema'alah min ha'Arkuvah?
- ... query Rav Yehudah, based on the continuation of our Mishnah 've'Chein she'Nital Tzomes ha'Gidin'?
(d) Rav Yehudah had no answer.
On what grounds did he reject his own
suggestion that perhaps the Tana means 'Lematah min ha'Arkuvah' but
Lema'alah mi'Tzomes ha'Gidin'?
(a) How does Rav Papa quote Rav Yehudah Amar Rav ... ('Lematah ... ' and
'Lema'alah ... ') to conform with Ula Amar Rebbi Hoshaya? Which Arkuvah is
he referring to?
(b) To which Arkuva is Rav Yehudah now referring?
(c) If 'Lema'alah ... ' therefore refers to the thigh-bone, what does
'Lematah ... ' refer to?
(d) And what does he then hold regarding the middle (calf)-bone?
(a) What problem do we have with Ula Amar Rebbi Hoshaya? How do the rulings
in our Mishnah appear to contradict each other?
(b) How does Rav Ashi answer this Kashya?
(c) Like which Lashon do we rule, and like whom (Rav Yehudah or Ula)?
(d) What are the ramifications of this ruling?
(a) Rabah Amar Rav Ashi (or Rav Asi) defines the Tzomes as 'de'Agrema
u'le'Bar'. Given that the knee-bone above the joint is devoid of flesh, what
(b) Rava b'rei de'Rabah bar Rav Huna Amar Rav Ashi is the most stringent of
- ... he mean.
- ... Rabah bar Rav Huna mean when he says 'de'Agrema u'le'Gev'?
What does he say?
(c) What did Rebbi Aba comment, when a certain Talmid-Chacham declared that
the Tzomes ha'Gidin corresponding to the actual Arkom is Tereifah?
(a) Rebbi Aba quoted Rav Yehudah, who gave the Shi'ur as from the point
where the butcher flays the animal.
What was the purpose of that flaying?
(b) With whose opinion does Rav Yehudah conform?
(c) Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel defined the Tzomes ha'Gidin as 'Tzomsin'. What
did he mean by that?
(d) A certain Talmid-Chacham quoting Rav Yehudah, gave the Shiur for that as
from the place where the Gidin fuse, up to the point where they separate.
From whom did Rav Yehudah hear that?
(e) What measurement does Abaye give in defining this Shi'ur?
(a) To which category of animal does this Shi'ur pertain?
Answers to questions
(b) Abaye gives four signs by which to recognize the Tzomes ha'Gidin of a
small animal. Three of them are: as long as they still protrude from the
flesh, and if they are hard and thick. What are then the four Simanim by
which one knows that the nerves are not part of Tzomes ha'Gidin?
(c) The fourth Siman of Tzomes ha'Gidin is that they are colored white. What
does Mar bar Rav Ashi comment on that? What Siman will replace the white
(a) Based on the fact that one of the three Gidin is thick, and the other
two, thin, what does Ameimar in the name of Rav Z'vid say about a case
(b) Mar bar Rav Ashi is more lenient than Ameimar.
- ... the thick one snapped?
- ... the two thin ones snapped?
What does *he* say?
(c) Like whom is the Halachah?
(d) And like whom is the Halachah regarding the Shi'ur of Tzomes ha'Gidin?
(a) How many Gidin does a bird have? What happens if one of them snaps?
(b) What did Mar bar Rav Ashi see his father do when he found only fifteen
Gidin in a chicken instead of sixteen?
(c) On what grounds did Shmuel object when Rav Yehudah informed him of Rav's
ruling, declaring an animal Tereifah if the majority of one Gid snaps?
(d) In any event, according to Rav Yehudah, even Shmuel requires a majority
of two Gidin to remain intact. Ravna'i Amar Shmuel disagrees with this.
What did Ravna'i quote Shmuel as saying? What is a 'Chut ha'Sarbol'?
(a) How do others explain Rav Yehudah Amar Rav's statement 'Tzomes ha'Gidin
(b) On what grounds did Shmuel protest this time, when Rav Yehudah told him
what Rav said?
(c) What do we comment now vis-a-vis Ravna'i Amar Shmuel?
(a) Commenting on the final case in our Mishnah ('Nishbar ha'Etzem ... ')
Rav rules that as long as the majority of the flesh remains intact, both the
animal and the limb are permitted.
Assuming that it is not, what
distinction does he draw between the middle bone (the calf) and the lower
(b) What does Shmuel say?
(c) What did Rav Acha bar Rav Huna retort when Rav Nachman asked how it is
possible according to Shmuel, for the bone to be thrown on to the trash-heap
and the animal to be Kasher?
(d) What did Rav Nachman reply? How did he amend his Kashya?
(a) In Eretz Yisrael, they had difficulty in deciding the Halachah.
whom did they finally rule?
(b) They added that the bone itself is Metamei be'Masa (renders the person
who carries it Tamei, even though he does not actually touch it).
(a) Rav Chisda queries the previous ruling from the Beraisa that we
discussed earlier, where Rebbi Meir asked the Rabbanan 'Lo, Im Tiharah
Shechitas Tereifah Osah ve'es ha'Eiver ha'Meduldal ... '.
What is the
(b) Rabah queries Rav Chisda from the Mishnah earlier 'Nishchetah be'Damehah
Divrei Rebbi Meir, Rebbi Shimon Omer Lo Huchsheru'.
Why is this a Kashya
on Rav Chisda?
(c) What did Rav Chisda reply? Why did he ask from the Beraisa and not from
(a) What did Rebbi Zeira comment when, upon his arrival from Bavel, he heard
Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba repeating the distinction that Rav made between a
fracture on the middle hind-leg bone and one on the lower one?
(b) Why did Rebbi Zeira refer to Shmuel as 'Aryoch'?
(c) But did Shmuel not argue with Rav over this point?
(a) What does the Beraisa say about a case where the lower leg-bone
fractures and protrudes from the flesh? Under which circumstances will the
bone be permitted?
(b) Rav Dimi quoting Rebbi Yochanan, gives the Shi'ur as 'Rov Avav'.
does this mean?
(c) What do others say?
(d) What does Rav Papa therefore rule?
(a) Ula Amar Rebbi Yochanan rules 'Or, Harei He ke'Basar'. Rav Nachman asks
why he did not say 'Or Mitztaref le'Basar'.
What is the difference between
(b) How does Ula refute Rav Nachman's proof from the Lashon of the Beraisa
'Im Or u'Basar Chofin es Rubo' (implying that it only combines with the
flesh, as he explained)? How does *he* read the Beraisa?
(a) What did Rav Nachman ask Ula according to the second Lashon, where Ula
Amar Rebbi Yochanan originally stated 'Or Mitztaref le'Basar'?
Answers to questions
(b) In response, Ula cited an incident that took place with Rebbi Yitzchak.
What did Rebbi Yochanan rule there when he brought him a duck with a
fractured leg that protruded from the leg, and where most of it was covered
half by skin and half by flesh?
(c) On what basis did Rav Nachman refute Ula's proof from that incident? Why
is a duck different?