REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) Why does Rav Hamnuna say that, according to Rebbi Shimon, Oso v'Es Beno
does not apply to Kodshim?
(b) Rava queries Rav Hamnuna from a Beraisa. Rebbi Shimon says there
'Kodshim ba'Chutz, Sheini be'Lo Sa'aseh', since initially, it would have
been fit to be brought later (even though he is Patur from the Kareis of
Which Lo Sa'aseh is he referring to?
(c) What do the Rabbanan say?
(d) What forces Rava (or K'di) to amend Rebbi Shimon's ruling to 'Sheneihem
Anushim Kareis'? Why must the second Shochet be Chayav Kareis too?
(a) 'Echad ba'Chutz, ve'Echad bi'Fenim, le'Rabbanan Rishon Anush Kareis,
Sheini Pasul u'Patur' (from Kareis because of Shechutei Chutz).
the Tana not mention that he is Chayav on the second one because of Oso v'Es
(b) What does Rebbi Shimon say?
(c) 'Echad bi'Fenim, ve'Echad ba'Chutz Rebbi Shimon Omer Sheini be'Lo
Which Lo Sa'aseh?
(d) What Kashya does this pose on Rav Hamnuna? What ought Rebbi Shimon to
have said, according to him?
(a) Rava therefore amends Rav Hamnuna's statement to 'Ein Malkos Oso v'Es
Beno Noheg be'Kodshim'.
Why is that?
(b) According to our initial text, the reason that he is Patur is because it
is Hasra'as Safek.
What does this mean?
(c) On what grounds do we reject that text?
(d) How do we reconcile this with Rav Hoshaya, who considers even the first
Shechitah a Shechitah she'Einah Re'uyah, according to Rebbi Shimon?
(a) In a case where the mother is Chulin and the child a Shelamim, what does
Rava rule, assuming that one Shechted, on the same day, first ...
Answers to questions
(b) According to which Tana is Rava speaking?
- ... the mother and then the child? Why is that?
- ... the child (bi'Fenim) and then the mother (ba'Chutz)?
(c) In the equivalent case, where the child is an Olah, rather than a
Shelamim, Rava rules that either way (even there where one Shechts the
mother after the child) one is Patur.
Why is that?
(d) Rebbi Ya'akov Amar Rebbi Yochanan disagrees.
What does he learn from
the Pasuk in Tzav (in connection with Pigul) "ve'Im He'achol Ye'achel
mi'Besar Zevach Shelamav"?
(a) What does Rebbi Shimon, in our Mishnah, say about Oso v'Es Beno, there
where the first animal ...
(b) What do the Rabbanan say in all of these cases?
- ... turns out to be a Tereifah, or is Shechted to Avodah-Zarah?
- ... is a Parah Adumah, a Shor ha'Niskal or an Eglah Arufah?
(c) In which three cases do the Rabbanan concede that the second animal is
no longer subject to Oso v'Es Beno?
(a) Resh Lakish confines the Rabbanan's ruling 'ha'Shochet
la'Avodas-Kochavim, Chayav', to where the Shochet Shechted the first animal
to Avodas-Kochavim, and the second one, for his own personal needs.
does he say about the reverse case?
(b) On what grounds does Rebbi Yochanan query Resh Lakish's statement?
(c) What should Resh Lakish have said (even in a case where the Shochet
Shechted the first one for his own needs and the second one to
Avodah-Zarah), according to him?
(d) Why did Resh Lakish decline to say that?
(a) When Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael, what did he say about Chayvei
Misos Shogegin or Chayvei Malkos Shogegin ve'Davar Acher)?
Answers to questions
(b) Besides Malkos (in the case of Chayvei Misos Shogegin), what might
'Davar Acher' be referring to?
(c) Why did Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish find it necessary to repeat their
Machlokes twice? Had they argued ...
- ... in our case (by Shechitah), why would we have thought that Resh Lakish will concede to Rebbi Yochanan in the case of Rav Dimi?
- ... in Rav Dimi's case, why would we have thought that Rebbi Yochanan would concede to Resh Lakish in our case?