REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Chulin 116
CHULIN 116 (27 Iyar) - Dedicated by Gitle Bekelnitzky in honor of the
sixth Yahrzeit of her father, Zev ben Ephraim v'Chaya Krause.
(a) We just concluded that there is no Pircha to ask on the case of Kil'ayim
(vis-a-vis Basar be'Chalav). We query this with the Pircha 'Mah li'Kelai
ha'Kerem she'Kein Lo Haysah Lah Sha'as ha'Kosher' (like we asked on Orlah).
On what misconception is this Kashya based?
(b) What does Rav Ada bar Ahavah therefore answer?
(a) Rav Shemaya bar Ze'ira queries this however, from a Beraisa. What does
the Tana say about a plant pot with a hole containing seeds that one
transports through a vine-yard? Under what condition does the Tana ...
(b) What does this prove?
- ... forbid the growth?
- ... permit it?
(c) Abaye answers by citing two Pesukim in Ki Seitzei.
How does he
establish the Pasuk ...
(d) We establish our Mishnah not like Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah.
- ... "Pen Tikdash ha'Melei'ah"?
- ... "ha'Zera"? What does he learn from them?
Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah in the name of Rebbi Shimon learn from the
'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Ki Am Kadosh Atah" and "ve'Anshei Kodesh Tih'yun Li"?
(a) What problem do we have with Rebbi Akiva, who precludes Chayah, Of and
Beheimah Teme'ah from the prohibition of Basar be'Chalav from the three
times *G'di*" in the Torah?
(b) How do we dispense with the Kashya from ...
- ... 'Cheilev' and 'Meisah'?
- ... 'Sh'lil'? ... In which point does Rebbi Akiva not hold like Shmuel?
(a) One of the differences between Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah ('Chayah ve'Of
Einah min ha'Torah') and Rebbi Yossi Hagelili ('es she'Asur Mishum Neveilah
Asur Levashel be'Chalav') is a Chayah. What does each Tana hold?
(b) Alternatively, they argue over Of.
What does each one hold there?
(c) This latter interpretation of their Machlokes has the support of a
Beraisa. On what grounds did the residents of Rebbi Eliezer's town used to
cut wood on Shabbos to burn a fire to make charcoal?
(d) And what does the Tana say about Rebbi Yossi Hagelili about cooking
fowl in milk?
(a) What was Levi's reaction when he arrived at the house of Yosef the bird
hunter, when he saw that they served a peacock's head that had been cooked
(b) What did Rebbi maintain he ought to have done?
(c) How did Levi justify his silence? Who was the Rav of the town?
(a) What is our Mishnah referring to, when it forbids the Keivah of Nochrim
and of Neveilah?
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(b) What does the Tana rule about placing milk inside an animal's stomach
(to manufacture cheese)? When is it forbidden?
(c) And what distinction does he draw between a Kasher animal that suckled
from a Tereifah, and a Tereifah that suckled from a Kesheirah?
(d) Why is that?
(a) On what grounds do some Poskim want to permit congealed milk that one
finds inside an animal's stomach if they were salted together, or if one
added other milk, in order to manufacture cheese?
(b) What precedent do they cite for this?
(c) Why is there no comparison at all between the two cases?
(d) Why does the milk that one added not become Bateil?
(a) On what grounds did Rashi originally permit the congealed milk,
provided no other milk was added?
(b) And he based this error on a Mishnah in Avodah-Zarah.
What does the
Tana say there about the Keivah of an Olah?
(c) Rashi's mistake was based on the fact that the milk under discussion is
referred to there as 'Pirsha be'Alma'.
What does it really mean in that
(d) Why does the Mishnah there forbid the same congealed milk if it is found
inside an animal of Avodah-Zarah?
(a) What problem do we have with our Mishnah, which refers to 'the stomach
that one obtains from a Nochri and the stomach of Neveilah'?
(b) Rav Huna establishes the former by the stomach of a kid-goat that one
purchased from the Nochri, and we are afraid that it may have suckled from a
Tereifah. We query this however, from a Beraisa.
What does the Tana say
about purchasing eggs from a Nochri? Why might we have thought that it is
(c) So we ascribe the prohibition to the fear that the kid may have suckled
from a Beheimah Temei'ah. Why are we more afraid of that than of it having
fed from a Tereifah?
(d) In that case, why do we not forbid the milk that one finds inside the
stomach of a kid goat, even if it belongs to a Yisrael?
(a) Shmuel explains that 'Keivas Akum ve'shel Neveilah' is actually one
What does he mean by that?
(b) What reason does Shmuel give for the prohibition of cheese that is
manufactured by a Nochri?
(c) How do we reconcile that with his current statement, which considers the
congealed milk itself, Neveilah?
(a) To what did Rebbi Yehoshua originally attribute the Chachamim's
prohibition on Nochri cheese?
(b) What did Rebbi Yishmael say that forced him to retract?
(c) What reason did Rebbi Yehoshua subsequently give for the prohibition?
(a) The Seifa of our Mishnah permits the congealed milk that one finds
inside a Tereifah.
How does Rav Chisda try to reconcile this with the
Reisha, which forbids 'Keivas Akum ve'shel Neveilah', by differentiating
between Neveilah and Tereifah?
(b) On what grounds does Rava reject Rav Chisda's answer? Why is the
opposite more logical?
(c) So how does Rav Yitzchak Amar Rebbi Yochanan reconcile the Reisha of the
Mishnah with the Seifa?
(d) If the Seifa speaks after Rebbi Yehoshua retracted, why did Rebbi not
remove the Reisha from the text?
(a) What distinction did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan draw with
regard to making cheese by placing it in congealed milk, between whether the
milk was found inside a Neveilah on the one hand, or inside an animal that
was Shechted by a Nochri, on the other?
(b) What did Rebbi Shimon bar Aba mean when he suggested that this was the
opinion of Rebbi Eliezer?
(c) Why does this render it Asur?
(d) What did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba comment following Rebbi Shimon bar Aba's
(a) What do we finally rule with regard to placing cheese ...
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(b) What is the reason for the latter ruling?
- ... in the stomach of a Neveilah?
- ... in the congealed milk that one finds in the stomach of a Neveilah?
- ... in the congealed milk that one finds an animal that was Shechted by a Nochri?