REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Gitin 87
(a) Rebbi Yochanan explains 'Chamishah she'Kasvu K'lal' in our Mishnah to
mean that one date covered all five Sh'taros, and 'Tofeis le'Chol Echad
ve'Echad', that each Get was dated independently. According to Resh
Lakish, even the former case is considered Tofeis.
Then how does he
(b) What does the Beraisa say about witnesses who signed after a greeting on
(c) To answer Rebbi Aba's Kashya why we are not worried that, according to
our Mishnah too, maybe the witnesses signed only on the last of the five
Gitin, we cite Rebbi Avahu quoting Rebbi Yochanan himself.
What did Rebbi
Avahu say (to validate the signatures of witnesses who signed after a
(d) How does this resolve our problem?
(a) Mar Keshisha Rav Chisda's son, asked Rav Ashi why it is that, if each
Get is dated independently, why are the first four Gitin not Pasul anyway,
because they were signed at a later date than they were written.
Rav Ashi reply?
(b) What do we learn from the Pasuk "ve'Kasav *Lah*"?
(c) Ravina asked Rav Ashi ...
1. ... why it is that, according to Resh Lakish, who requires each couple to
be mentioned independently, all five Gitin should not be Pasul even in the
case of K'lal, because of "Lah" 've'Lo Lah u'le'Chaverta'.
What did Rav
2. ... how, in light of the P'sul of "Lah" 've'Lo Lah u'le'Chaverta', we
justify the Beraisa 'ha'Kosev Nechasav li'Sh'nei Avadav, Kanu u'Meshachrerin
Zeh es Zeh' (in spite of the Gezeirah-Shavah' "Lah" "Lah" from Ishah).
What did Rav Ashi reply?
(a) In the Machlokes between Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish, which of the
two has the support of a Beraisa?
(b) In the Beraisa that supports Rebbi Yochanan, Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira
disagrees with the Tana Kama.
How does he qualify the case where each Get
has its own date?
(c) In the Beraisa that supports Resh Lakish ...
- ... the Tana Kama holds like Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira.
Who is the Tana Kama's disputant?
- ... why does the Tana need to explain that he wrote the date on each of the five Gitin, seeing as Resh Lakish invalidates five Gitin in one Sh'tar even if there is only one date?
(a) What is the difference between the way an Ivri (Jews living elsewhere)
signs his name on the Get and the way a Greek Jew signs it?
(b) If, in a case where two documents are written side by side on one piece
of parchment, two Ivrim sign across the page, and underneath them, two Greek
Jews sign, which of the Sh'taros does our Mishnah validate?
(c) If an Ivri signs first, then a Greek, then an Ivri and then a Greek, the
Tana declares both Sh'taros invalid.
How exactly, did the two Greeks sign?
(a) If someone signs his name as 'ben P'loni', is his signature valid?
(b) In that case why, in the latter case in our Mishnah, do we not consider
the top signature as two (i.e. 'Re'uven' on the right, and 'ben Ya'akov' on
the left, to combine with the signatures beneath them)?
(a) On what grounds is a Sh'tar Kasher if one of the signatories signed
Answers to questions
(b) Then why in the Reisha of our Mishnah, is only the one Sh'tar Kasher,
and not both, by considering 'Reuven ben' as a witness on the right-hand
Sh'tar, and 'Ya'akov Eid', as a witness on the left-hand one (and likewise
in the case of the second witness)?
(c) Why might the Sh'tar be Pasul even if he did sign 'Ya'akov Eid'?
(d) How do we know that it was not Reuven who signed on the left-hand Sh'tar
too, but using his father's name?
(a) Rav used to sign his name with the symbol of a fish, Rebbi Chanina with
that of a branch of a date-palm.
What symbol was used by ...
(b) Rabah bar Rav Huna did not use a letter like the previous two Amora'im,
but a symbol like the first two.
- ... Rav Chisda?
- ... Rav Hoshaya?
(c) Then how do we know that Reuven in the Seifa of our Mishnah, did not use
his father's name 'Ya'akov' as a symbol?
(a) We prove that the reason in the Seifa of our Mishnah (that not both of
the Gitin are Kasher - the right-hand one, by means of the Ivri witnesses,
the left-hand one, by means of the Greek ones) cannot be because of the
space between the left-hand Sh'tar and the Greek witnesses, because of a
statement by Chizkiyah.
What did Chizkiyah say about a Sh'tar whose space
one filled with witnesses who are relatives? What does this prove?
(b) How does Ze'iri therefore amend our Mishnah 'Sheneihem Pesulim'?
(c) We nevertheless reconcile our Mishnah with Chizkiyah by suggesting that
perhaps they signed 'Gundelis'.
What does this mean?
(a) Is a Sh'tar that is signed by an Ivri and a Greek Jew Kasher (despite
their different methods of signing)?
(b) Ze'iri cites a Beraisa which reconciles our Mishnah (which rules
'Sheneihem Pesulim') with this ruling.
What does the Beraisa say?
(c) Our Tana however, specifically rules that the second Get is Pasul. Why
(d) On what grounds do we refute the contention that the Seifa of our
Mishnah speaks when all four witnesses signed across the line?
(a) Our Mishnah validates a Get which is written in two columns (which is
dated at the beginning of the first column and signed at the end of the
Why are we not afraid ...
1. ... that the two columns may have actually contained two Gitin that were
not originally written on the same level (i.e. the first Get was written
higher up than the second), and that he cut off the signatures from the foot
of the first Get and the date from the top of the second one?
(b) What two reasons might there be for invalidating the Get in the previous
'Havah Amina' (the contention that he changed his mind about giving a Get
after the first column)?
2. ... that he changed his mind about the text of the Get and scrapped the
first column, to begin afresh with a new date on the second, which he then
cut off to make it appear like one Get?
3. ... that after beginning the Get on the first column, he changed his mind
about divorcing his wife, and then reconsidered and continued with the Get
on the second column?
(c) Rav Ashi offers one answer for all three Kashyos.
reason does he offer to eliminate all three problems in one sweep?
(a) Will a regular Get (to preclude a Get Mekushar where the witnesses had
to sign on the back) be Kasher if the witnesses signed on top of the page,
at the side or at the back?
(b) What does the Tana of our Mishnah say about two Gitin that are written
one above the other, but one facing upwards and the other downwards, where
the witnesses signed on the space in between ...
- ... if the two beginnings are facing each other?
- ... if the two ends are facing each other?
(a) What does the Tana of our Mishnah rule if ...
Answers to questions
(b) Is a Get Kasher if the witnesses signed ...
- ... the Get is written in Ivris and the witnesses signed in Greek?
- ... the Sofer wrote it and one witness signed it?
(c) How did the Neki'ei ha'Da'as in Yerushalayim used to sign on documents?
- ... 'Ish P'loni Eid' (omitting his father's name, which is generally inserted)?
- ... 'ben Ish P'loni Eid'?
- ... 'Ish P'loni ben Ish P'loni'?
What does 'Neki'ei ha'Da'as' mean?
(d) What does the Tana say about writing just the family nickname
(presumably incorporating the modern surname) of the man and woman, together
with their main name?