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Horayos 14

HORAYOS 12-14 - One week of study material has been dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.


(a) Rebbi taught his son R. Shimon, Others say, if it (an animal called 'Ma'aser' by mistake) was a Temurah, it would not be offered. (Since it is offered, this shows that it is not Temurah)!
(b) R. Shimon: If we learn the Torah of these Chachamim, why don't we mention their names?
(c) Rebbi: Because he tried to uproot the Nesi'us from our family!
(d) R. Shimon: "...Gam Sinasam, Gam Kinasam Kevar Ovadah" (what was, was)!
(e) Rebbi: "Ha'Oyev Tamu, Charavos Lanetzach (the enemy died, his arrows persist forever)"!
(f) R. Shimon: That is only if his actions accomplished something!
(g) Rebbi: They said in R. Meir's name, if it was a Temurah, it would not be offered.
1. Rava: Even Rebbi, who was exceedingly humble, did not explicitly teach it in R. Meir's name (i.e. R. Meir says...)
(a) (R. Yochanan): R. Shimon ben Gamliel and Chachamim argued which is preferable - Sinai (one who knows all the Mishnayos and Beraisos, as they were given on Sinai), or one who can uproot mountains (through his sharp power of reasoning).
1. Rav Yosef was Sinai, Rabah uprooted mountains. They asked Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael which takes precedence.
2. Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael: Sinai comes first - all need the bearer of wheat (Mishnayos and Beraisos are the source of all Halachah)!
3. Even so, Rav Yosef did not accept to be the Nasi (in Pumbadisa, after Rav Yehudah died) before Rabah. Rabah was the Nasi for 22 years; he died, and Rav Yosef became Nasi.
i. During the 22 years, Rav Yosef would not call a bloodletter to his house (to avoid any conduct of authority; Ramah - he had no need for any doctors - this was a reward for lowering himself).
4. After Rav Yosef died, Abaye, Rava, R. Zeira and Rabah bar Masnah had to decide which of them would be the next Nasi. They decided that whoever will say a teaching which the others cannot refute, he will be Nasi - only Abaye's teaching was not refuted.
(b) Question: Of R. Zeira and Rabah bar Masnah - which had precedence?
1. R. Zeira would ask sharply; Rabah bar Masnah would deliberate and conclude according to the Halachah.
(c) This question is unsettled.
On to Zevachim


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