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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
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Previous daf Horayos 6
HORAYOS 6 (2 Sivan) - This Daf has been dedicated in memory of Harry Bernard
Zuckerman, Baruch Hersh ben Yitzchak (and Miryam Toba), by his children and
(a) The Torah writes in Naso (in connection with the inauguration of the
Levi'im) "u'Far Sheini ben Bakar Tikach le'Chatas". Seeing as the Torah has
already written there "Ve'asah es ha'Echad Chatas ve'es ha'Echad Olah
la'Hashem", Rebbi Shimon in a Beraisa explains "u'Far Sheini" to mean - that
the Torah, comparing the Chatas to the Olah, requires the Chatas to be
entirely burned (rather than eaten by the Kohanim, as most Chata'os are).
(b) The problem that Rebbi Yossi in a Beraisa has with the Pasuk "ha'Ba'im
me'ha'Shevi B'nei ha'Golah Hikrivu Olos le'Elokei Yisrael" is - that seeing
as the Torah is speaking about the twelve goats that they brought as
Chata'os, how can it then refer to them as Olos?
(c) So he explains the Pasuk - in a similar way to Rebbi Shimon in the
previous Beraisa; namely, that they were completely burned like Olos (like
the Din of Cha'ta'os ha'Penimiyos [whose blood was brought inside the
(d) Rebbi Yehudah in another Beraisa explains that they brought these
Korbanos to atone for the sin of Avodah-Zarah. According to Rav Yehudah Amar
Shmuel - it was actually the generation of Tzidkiyahu Hameleach (who had
gone into exiles seventy years earlier) who had ben guilty of that sin.
(a) We have a problem as to why they brought twelve goats, according to
Rebbi Meir. There is no problem according to ...
1. ... Rebbi Yehudah - because it speaks either when all twelve tribes
sinned, in which case each of the twelve tribes would have been obligated to
bring one goat, or when seven tribes (or even one [see Chok Nasan]) sinned,
and the remaining tribes each brought a Par because of 'G'reirah'.
(b) The problem according to Rebbi Meir - is that even if all twelve tribes
sinned, why they would need to bring more than one bull.
2. ... Rebbi Shimon - eleven tribes sinned, in which case they would bring
one bull each, and the twelth would have been brought by the Beis-Din.
(c) We resolve it - by establishing that they sinned twelve times.
(a) A Chatas whose owner dies - has to be left to die ('Halachah le'Moshe
(b) Rav Papa attributes the fact that Yisrael brought these twelve Chata'os
for their ancestors who had already died - to the fact a Tzibur does not
(c) The problem with the Pasuk "Tachas Avosecha Yiy'hu Banecha" that we
suggest as the source for Rav Papa's statement is - that in that case, by
the same token, the children of the deceased owner should be allowed to
bring the Korban in his stead.
(d) So we attempt to prove it from the goat that the Kohanim brought
together with the Musaf of Rosh Chodesh (which was purchased with the money
from Terumas ha'Lishkah) - despite the fact that some of the owners may have
(a) We reject the proof from the goat of Rosh Chodesh as Rav Papa's source -
since there it is only a Safek, whereas in our case, it is certain that some
of the sinners died (see Metzapeh Eisan and Me'lo ha'Ro'im).
(b) We then cite the Pasuk "Kaper le'Amcha Yisrael *Asher Padisa, Hashem*"
as a possible source - with reference to all those who were redeemed from
Egypt (see Maharatz Chayos [and who had definitely died by the time the
Beis-Hamikdash was built]), a proof that 'Ein Tzibur Meisah'.
(c) We cannot refute this proof by arguing that ...
1. ... unlike there (by Eglah Arufah [where at least all those who had
sinned were definitely alive]), in our case, the sinners (from the
generation of Tzidkiyahu) were not - because Ezra specifically refers to
'many of the Kohanim and Levi'im ... ' (from Tzidkiyahu's time) who were
still alive at that time.
(d) We ...
2. ... even if some of the original sinners were alive, the majority were
not - because he also describes how the sound of the blowing of Simchah was
drowned by those who weeping (from embarassment).
1. ... answer the Kashya that they sinned on purpose (whereas a Chatas comes
for a Shogeg, and not for a Meizid) by attributing it to a Hora'as Sha'ah
(a special ruling by Beis-Din for that time only), and ...
2. ... we prove this from the Pasuk itself - which describes the ninety-six
rams and seventy-seven lambs which they also brought, and which have no
source other than a Hora'as Sha'ah.
(a) We learned in a Beraisa that if one member of the Tzibur dies, they
nevertheless remain obligated to bring the bull, whereas if a member of
Beis-Din dies, they are Patur. Rav Chisda ... Amar Rav establishes the
author of this Beraisa as Rebbi Meir - because he is the one who places the
onus of bringing the bull on the Beis-Din.
(b) Rav's ruling is based on the principle - that if one of the joint owners
of a Chatas dies, the Chatas has to die.
(c) This does not contravene the principle that we just learned 'Ein Tzibur
Meisah' - since Beis-Din are not called a Tzibur (Kahal).
(d) Rav Yosef asks why, by the same token, the author cannot be Rebbi
Shimon, who holds that Beis-Din as well as the Kahal, are obligated to bring
a bull, to which Abaye replied - that according to Rebbi Shimon, the Chatas
of partners (meaning any joint owners that are not considered a Kahal), does
not die either.
(a) Abaye's reply is based on another Beraisa, which discusses the bull and
the goat of Yom Kipur that got lost, were replaced, and were found before
the replacement animals were brought. Rebbi Yehudah says all the animals
must die. Rebbi Elazar and Rebbi Shimon hold - 'Yir'u (ad she'Yista'avu ...
' [meaning that they should be allowed to graze until they obtain a blemish,
when they are sold, and the proceeds go to Hekdesh]).
(b) This does not mean that Rebbi Yehudah considers the Chatas of partners
worse than that of a Tzibur - because he holds 'Chatas Tzibur Meisah'.
(c) Rav Yosef repudiates Abaye's proof from the latter - by citing the Pasuk
"al ha'Kohanim ve'al Kol Am ha'Kahal Yechaper" - which implies that the
Kohanim are considered a Kahal.
(d) We disprove Rav Yosef's argument however, from the thirteen bulls that
Rebbi Shimon obligates in our Mishnah, in the event that all the tribes
sinned be'Shigegas Hora'ah, since, according to him - they ought to bring
one additional bull for the Kohanim.
(a) Rav Acha bar Ya'akov learns from the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Hin'ni Mafrecha Ve'hirbisicha, u'Nesticha li'Kehal Amim, Ve'nasati
es ha'Aretz ha'Zos le'Zar'acha Acharecha Achuzas Olam" - that only those
tribes which received an inheritance in Eretz Yisrael are counted as a Kahal
(to preclude the tribe of Levi, which did not).
(b) Rava disproves the previous statement from the Pasuk there "Al Shem
Acheihem Yikar'u be'Nachalasam", - which implies that Efrayim and Menasheh
are only considered two tribes as regards inheritance, but not in other
matters (such as the 'Par He'elam Davar').
2. ... Efrayim u'Menasheh ki'Reuven u'Shimon Yih'yu Li" - that (to make up
for the deficiency), Efrayim and Menasheh are counted as two tribes.
(c) According to Rava then, the twelfth tribe is 'Levi, which is considered
a Kahal ...
(d) ... but not the Kohanim.
(a) Despite the fact that Efrayim and Menasheh are only considered two
tribes as regards inheritance, each had its own ...
1. ... flag - because their encampment followed the same pattern as their
inheritance (as we shall see).
(b) And we prove this concept from Moshe, who organized twelve days of
inauguration for the Mishkan (in honor of the twelve princes) - when seven
would have sufficed, like Shlomoh Hamelech did when he inaugurated the
2. ... Nasi - in keeping with the dignity of the flags.
(c) The source of the order of the flags, and the twelve tribes that they
incorporated - was Ya'akov Avinu, who ordered his sons to carry his coffin
in the same order that they would later encamp, and divided Eretz Yisrael
into the equivalent twelve portions.
(d) When we ask 'Mai Havi Alah', we mean to ask -whether we accept Abaye's
ruling, that Rebbi Shimon holds 'Chatas ha'Shutfin Einah Meisah' (in which
case the author of the Beraisa 'Meis Echad mi'Beis-Din Peturin' can only be
Rebbi Meir, and not Rebbi Shimon, as we explained).
(a) The Beraisa lists five Chata'os that must die. Four of them are a V'lad
(the baby born to a) Chatas, the Temurah (swap) of a Chatas, a Chatas whose
owner has died and a Chatas that got lost and another brought in its place
before it was found. The fifth is - a Chatas that has passed its first
(b) The Tana goes on to say that, in the case of a Tzibur, there is no ...
1. ... V'lad Chatas - because the Tzibur never bring a female animal.
(c) As regards a Chatas that got lost and another is brought in its place
before it is found, and one whose first year came to an end - (which are
practically applicable to a Korban Tzibur), he says - that he received no
tradition as to whether they apply to them Halachically or not.
2. ... Temuras Chatas - because the Din of Temurah is confined to a Korban
3. ... a Chatas whose owner died - because 'Ein Tzibur Meisah'.
(d) He concludes however - that we learn what is not known from what is (in
which case they will not apply to a Korban Tzibur, and we will apply the Din
(a) The problem with learning the latter two from the former three (as we
just did) is - that we cannot learn a Halachah on something that is possible
from something that is not.
***** Hadran Alach 'Horu Beis-Din' *****
(b) We answer that - Rebbi Shimon had a tradition that all the Chata'os that
die apply under the same circumstances, either to a Korban Yachid, or to a
Korban Tzibur as well (and if one doesn't apply, then none of them do).
(c) In actual fact, the Halachah only requires four Chata'os to die. We say
five - because we are not certain to which one out of the five the Din
(d) This Beraisa resolves our She'eilah, in that, according to Rebbi
Shimon - just as the first two ('Chatas she'Meisah' and 'Chatas Temurah') do
not apply to partners (for the same reason as they do not apply to a
Tzibur), neither do the other three (due to the same principle as they do
not apply to a Tzibur).
***** Perek Horu Kohen Mashi'ach *****
(a) If a Kohen Mashi'ach issues an erroneous ruling but acted on purpose, or
vice-versa, he is Patur from a Chatas. He is Chayav to bring a Par (like the
Tzibur) - only if both his ruling and his subsequent action were done
(b) In the cases where he is Patur - he does not bring anything, since a
Kohen Gadol is not Chayav a Korban for Shigegas Ma'aseh (as we shall see in
(a) The problem with the Reisha of the Mishnah, which actually spells out
this ruling, is - that it seems obvious and hardly warrants mentioning.
(b) So, to create a Chidush, we establish the case when the Kohen Gadol
forgot which ruling he issued, and proceeded to perform the sin on condition
that this is what he originally ruled.
(c) We might otherwise have thought that he would be Patur - because, since
he is aware that this may not be what he permitted, and, should he have
recalled what he ruled, he might have retracted, this would be considered
Meizid, and he would be Patur.