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Horayos 9

HORAYOS 9-10 - One week of study material has been dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.


(a) Ravina asked Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak what the Din will be (vis-a-vis a Korban Oleh ve'Yored), according to Rebbi Yirmiyah and Rebbi Yossi Hagelili, in the case of a king who is stricken with Tzara'as.
What happens in general to a king who is stricken with Tzara'as?

(b) If 'Miftar Patur' means that he is only Patur as long as he is king, but becomes Chayav once his status changes.
What does 'Midcha Dachi' then mean?

(c) What did Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak mean when he replied 'Dilach O De'Gaza'?

(a) According to Rebbi Akiva, a Kohen Gadol is Patur from a Korban Oleh ve'Yored.
How does he learn it from the Pasuk in Naso (in connection with the Kohen Gadol's daily 'Korban Chavitin') "Zeh Korban Aharon u'Vanav"?

(b) We try to refute this proof however, by suggesting that the Torah only precludes him from bringing the Minchah that a very poor man brings. On what grounds do we say that? Why might the Kohen be Patur by Dalei Dalus, more than by Dalus or Ashirus?

(c) How do we counter this sugestion by quoting the Pasuk in Vayikra (in connection with the Kohen Gadol) "Ve'chiper Alav ha'Kohen al Chataso Asher Chata me'Achas me'Eileh"?

(a) We have a problem with this however, from Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah.
What did he say there with regard to a Nasi being Chayav ...
  1. ... Bituy Sefasayim and Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav?
  2. ... Shemi'as Kol?
(b) Bearing in mind that the Pasuk there writes (in connection with the Nasi) "Ve'hayah Ki Ye'esham le'Achas me'Eileh", what is the problem?

(c) How do initially differentiate between "me'Achas" and ''le'Achas"?

(d) We conclude that in the latter Pasuk, Rebbi Akiva explains "le'Achas" to mean that even if only one of the three applies, then the king is Chayav to bring that one.
Then why does he not explain the Pasuk by the Kohen Gadol "Ve'chiper Alav ha'Kohen al Chataso Asher Chata me'Achas me'Eileh" in the same way?

(a) In the case of pure Shogeg, our Mishnah recaps that ...
  1. ... by other Mitzvos, a Yachid brings a Kisbah or Se'irah, and the Nasi, a Sa'ir.
    What do the Kohen Gadol and the Beis-Din bring?
  2. ... by Avodah-Zarah, a Yachid, a Nasi and a Kohen Gadol bring a Se'irah.
    What do Beis-Din bring?
  3. ... a Yachid and a Nasi are subject to an Asham Taluy.
    What does the Tana say about a Kohen Gadol and Beis-Din?
  4. ... Beis-Din is Patur from an Asham Vaday.
    What does the Tana say about a Yachid, a Nasi and a Kohen Gadol?
(b) Everyone agrees that Beis-Din are Patur from a Korban Oleh ve'Yored, and that a Yachid, a Nasi and a Kohen Gadol are Chayav for two of the three cases.
From which case does Rebbi Shimon exempt the Kohen Gadol?

(c) What does Rebbi Shimon say about a Nasi with regard to Shemi'as Kol (from which Rebbi Akiva exempts him)?

(d) According to the Tana Kama, those who are Chayav all bring a Korban Oleh ve'Yored.
What does Rebbi Eilezer say about a Nasi?

(a) Rebbi Shimon, in a Beraisa, presents K'lalim. He equates a Nasi with a Yachid as regards an Asham Taluy. He equates a Nasi and a Kohen Gadol with a Yachid regarding an Asham Vaday - but exempts both a Kohen Gadol and Beis-Din.

(b) He exempts Beis-Din from a Korban Oleh ve'Yored, and he obligates both a Nasi and a Kohen Gadol to bring it, though he exempts a Nasi from Shemi'as Kol and a Kohen Gadol from Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav.
What will he hold by a Kohen Gadol viv-a-vis Shemi'as Kol and Bituy Sefasayim?

(c) How does Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua reconcile this with the Seifa, where Rebbi Shimon equates a Kohen Gadol with the Beis-Din, who are Patur from all three cases of Korban Oleh ve'Yored?

(d) Rebbi Shimon, we conclude, agrees with Rebbi Akiva in one point, and argues with him in another.
In which point does he ...

  1. ... agree with him?
  2. ... argue with him?
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(a) Which Halachah of Rebbi Shimon in our Mishnah does Chizkiyah learn from the Pasuk in Chukas (in connection with Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav) "Ve'nichresah ha'Nefesh ha'Hi mi'Toch ha'Kahal" ?

(b) In that case we ask, by the same token, a Nasi should be Patur from a Korban too (seeing as he does not share the Korban of the Kahal throughout the year).
What do we reply?

(c) This leaves us however, with the Kashya, that Kohanim, who do not share in the Kahal's Korban on Yom Kipur either, should also be Patur from the Korban of Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav.
Why do reject the suggestion that Kohanim are at least equal to the rest of the Kahal regarding other Mitzvos throughout the year?

(d) How does Rava finally amend Chizkiyah's Limud? From which Chet ha'Kahal is a Kohen Gadol exempt?

(a) Rebbi Eliezer in our Mishnah, obligates a Nasi to bring a Sa'ir for a Korban Oleh ve'Yored. Rebbi Yochanan restricts this ruling to Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav (but not to Shemi'as Kol and Shevu'as Bituy).
Why is that?

(b) How does Rav Papa prove this from the fact that Rebbi Eliezer confines his ruling to a Nasi? If not for Rebbi Yochanan, who else ought he to have included?

(c) Why does he not at least include a Kohen Gadol by Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav?

(a) Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua queried Rav Papa. Perhaps he asked, Rebbi Eliezer refers to all three cases of Korban Oleh ve'Yored, because he holds like Rebbi Akiva.
What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(b) Rav Papa replied that in any event, Rebbi Akiva did not exempt the Kohen Gadol from a Par.
How does answer the question?

(c) Did Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua accept Rav Papa's answer?

(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan say about Rebbi Eliezer vis-a-vis an Asham Taluy?

(b) A Beraisa expert cited a Beraisa in front of Rav Sheishes 'Asham Taluy Ba al Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav'.
Why is that?

(c) Who is the author of this Beraisa?

(d) What is the problem with this Beraisa?

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(a) What does our Mishnah say about a Kohen Gadol who sins and is removed from office, or a king who sins and abdicates.
Which Korban does he need to bring?

(b) A Kohen Gadol who is removed from office and then sins, still brings a Par.
What does the Tana say about a Nasi in the same circumstances?

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