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Horayos 10

HORAYOS 9-10 - One week of study material has been dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.


(a) Having taught us in the Seifa that the Kohen Gadol brings a Par even if he sinned after being removed from office, why does our Mishnah find it necessary to present the Reisha, which repeats this ruling where he sinned before being removed from office?

(b) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra (in connection with the Par He'elam Davar of the Kohen Gadol) "Ve'hikriv al Chataso"?

(c) If not for the Pasuk, why might we have thought otherwise, based on the Din of a Nasi?

(d) And what does the Tana learn from the Pasuk there "Asher Nasi Yecheta"? What might we otherwise have thought?

(a) The Tana Kama of our Mishnah gives a Kohen Gadol and a Nasi who sin and are then appointed, the Din of a Hedyot. What is the Din of a Hedyot?

(b) What does Rebbi Shimon say? What is the criterion according to him?

(c) What does Rebbi Shimon say with regard to the Tana's previous ruling, where the Nasi and the Kohen Gadol sinned after leaving office?

(d) How does our Mishnah define 'Nasi'?

(a) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk there "Im ha'Kohen ha'Mashi'ach Yecheta" (according to the Tana Kama of our Mishnah)?

(b) We suggest that we would know that anyway, from a 'Kal va'Chomer' from Nasi.
Which 'Kal va'Chomer?

(c) How do we counter this Kashya? Which case of Nasi is more lenient than that of Kohen Gadol?

(a) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk there "Asher Nasi Yecheta"?

(b) Using reverse logic (to the previous case), why did we initially think that we could learn this Halachah from a 'Kal-va'Chomer' from Kohen Gadol?

(c) How do we counter the 'Kal-va'Chomer'? Which case of Kohen Gadol is more lenient than that of Nasi?

(a) How does the Beraisa initially interpret the Pasuk "Asher Nasi Yecheta"?

(b) What does he therefore learn from "Im ha'Kohen ha'Mashi'ach Yecheta"?

(c) What makes us quote the Pasuk in Metzora "Ve'nasati Nega Tzara'as be'Veis Eretz Achuzaschem"? What precedent do we learn from there?

(d) This is actually the way Rebbi Yehudah Darshens the latter Pasuk.
How does Rebbi Shimon explain it?

(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Tazri'a "Adam *Ki Yih'yeh* be'Or Besaro Se'eis ... "?

(b) Why can we not learn this from a Zav, where the Torah also writes "Ki Yih'yeh Zav mi'Besaro" (with the same implication)? What Chumra does Tzara'as have over Zav?

(c) This poses a Kashya on Rebbi Shimon ('P'rat le'Nig'ei Onsin'). Rava answers 'P'rat le'Nig'ei Ruchos'.
What does he mean by that? Whose opinion does this statement come to explain?

(d) What does Rav Papa say?

(a) How does Rav Avdimi bar Chama explain the Beraisa which Darshens "Asher Nasi Yecheta", 'P'rat le'Choleh'? Since when does one depose king just because he is sick?

(b) That is what happened to Uziyah Hamelech.
Who succeeded him?

(c) In what way does this Tana argue with Rebbi Yirmiyah and Rebbi Yossi Hegelili on the previous Amud?

(d) Why does the Pasuk in Melachim refer to Uziyah's new abode as a Beis Hachofshis?

(a) The source for this latter statement is Raban Gamliel.
What happened once when, traveling with Rebbi Yehoshua on a boat, he ran short of bread?

(b) What did Rebbi Yehoshua mean when he ascribed his foresight (in taking along flour, which does not turn moldy as quickly as bread) to a certain star? How often does that star appear in the sky?

(c) Why did this elicit Raban Gamliel's surprise?

(a) The previous incident caused Rebbi Yehoshua to mention Rebbi Elazar Chisma and Rebbi Yochanan ben Gudgoda to Raban Gamliel.
What was the extent of ...
  1. ... their knowledge?
  2. ... their poverty?
(b) How did Raban Gamliel rectify the shortcoming?

(c) What did he say when they refused to come the first time he called them?

(d) Which Pasuk in Melachim did he quote to prove his point?

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(a) How did Raban Yochanan ben Zakai explain the Pasuk "Asher Nasi Yecheta"?
What 'Kal-va'Chomer' did he Darshen vis-a-vis ...
  1. ... a Hedyot who sinned be Shogeg?
  2. ... a Nasi who sinned be'Meizid?
(b) How do we answer Rava bar Rabah's Kashya from the Pesukim in Vayikra "ve'es Asher Chata min ha'Kodesh Yeshalem and in Melachim "Asher Chata va'Asher Hechti es ha'Rabim"? Are the acts referred to in these Pesukim praiseworthy, too?

(c) Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda Darshened the Pasuk in Koheles "Yesh Hevel Asher Na'aseh al ha'Aretz".
What did he mean when he said ...

  1. ... 'Ashreihem la'Tzadikim she'Magi'a Aleihem ke'Ma'aseh shel Olam ha'Ba, ba'Olam ha'Zeh'?
  2. ... 'Oy Lahem la'Resha'im she'Magi'a Aleihem ke'Ma'aseh ha'Tzadikim ba'Olam ha'Ba ba'Olam ha'Zeh'?
(d) What objection did Rava raise (with regard to the first statement)?
(a) So how did Rava explain ...
  1. ... 'Ashreihem la'Tzadikim ... '?
  2. ... 'Oy Lahem la'Resha'im ... '?
(b) Rav Papa and Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua had both learned the various Masechtos that Rava mentioned.
What did they reply when he inquired about their Parnasah?

(c) What did Rava subsequently exclaim?

(a) How did Rabah bar bar Chanah initially explain the Pasuk in Hoshei'a "Ki Yesharim Darkei Hashem Tzadikim Yeilchu Bam, Re'sha'im Yikashlu Bam" (in connection with two people who roasted a Korban Pesach)?

(b) What objection did Resh Lakish raise to ...

  1. ... this explanation?
  2. ... the second suggestion, that the Pasuk speaks about two people who are in their respective houses with their wife and their sister, where the one had relations with his wife, and the other, inadvertently had relations with his sister?
(c) What do we mean when we establish the Pasuk by Lot and his daughters?

(d) We answer the query how we know that Lot intended to sin, by citing Rebbi Yochanan.
What does Rebbi Yochanan say about the Pasuk in Lech-Lecha "Vayisa Lot es Einav"?

(a) We ask how it is possible to accuse Lot of sinning, when, in a state of total inebriation, he was A'nus.
And we answer by citing Rebbi Yossi bar Rebbi Choni.
What does Rebbi Yossi bar Rebbi Choni Darshen from the dot on the 'Vav' of "u've'Kumah"?

(b) Seeing as he only realized what had happened as he got up, what could he possibly have done?

(c) How does Rabah (or Rava) explain the Pasuk in Mishlei ...

  1. ... "Ach Niftier mi'Kiryas Oz"?
  2. ... "u'Medinim ki'Beri'ach Armon"? Which Pasuk in the Torah does this Pasuk tie up with?
  3. ... "le'Sa'avah Yevakesh Nifrad, be'Chol Tushi'ah Yisgala" (though some quote this in the name Rebbi Yitzchak)?
(a) Tamar had illicit relations, says Ula, and so did Zimri.
What is the difference between them?

(b) What principle does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak derive from the Pasuk in Shoftim "Tevorach mi'Nashim Ya'el ... mi'Nashim be'Ohel Tevorach"? Who does "Nashim be'Ohel" refer to"?

(c) The initial wording of Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak's statement is 'Gedolah Aveirah li'Shemah *mi'Mitzvah* she'Lo li'Shemah'.
What is wrong with that?
What did Rav Yehudah Amar Rav say that forces us to amend it?

(d) How do we amend it?

(a) Ya'el allowed herself to be raped seven times by Sisra, as the Pasuk in Shoftim indicates ("Bein Raglehah Kara, Nafal, Shachav ... ").
Why did she do that?

(b) Why is she praised for that, seeing as, at the end of the day, she derived pleasure from it?

(c) What good deed did Balak ha'Rasha perform? What motivated him to do it?

(d) What reward did he receive, that elicited the principle 'Le'olam Ya'asok be'Torah u've'Mitzvos she'Lo li'Shemah ... ' from Rav Yehudah Amar Rav?

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