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Previous daf Kesuvos 53
1) PRESSURE ON THE FATHER TO GIVE A DOWRY
(a) Rav Papa: Do you not want to come because Shmuel said, do
not cause inheritance to transfer, even from a bad son to
a good son - perhaps the bad son will have good
2) WHEN ARE PRIVILEGES OF THE KESUVAH FORFEITED?
1. All the more so, one should not transfer from a son
to a daughter!
(b) Rav Papa: This also was decreed by Chachamim, as R.
Yochanan taught above!
(c) Yehudah Bar Meremar: That is when the father wants to
give - he should not be forced!
(d) Rav Papa: I do not ask you to force him, merely to enter!
(e) Yehudah Bar Meremar: My coming in is like forcing!
1. Rav Papa coerced Yehudah Bar Meremar to enter. He
sat silently. Aba Surah thought that he was angry;
he wrote all his property to his daughter.
(f) Aba Surah: You still won't speak?! I swear, I didn't
leave anything for myself!
(g) Yehudah Bar Meremar: I didn't want you to write even the
(h) Aba Surah: So I will retract!
(i) Yehudah Bar Meremar: I do not counsel you to be a
(a) Question (Rav Yemar): If a woman sold her Kesuvah to her
husband - does she still have Kesuvas Bnin Dichrin?
1. Rava: You should ask, what if she pardoned the
(b) (Rava): Clearly, if she sells the Kesuvah to others, she
retains Kesuvas Bnin Dichrin - financial pressure forced
2. Rav Yemar: I asked, what if she sold it, even though
one can say that (the need for money) forced her, as
if she was stricken 100 times - all the more so, if
she pardoned it (she forfeits Kesuvas Bnin Dichrin)!
(c) If she pardons the Kesuvah to her husband, she clearly
loses Kesuvas Bnin Dichrin - she pardoned it;
(d) Question (Rava): What if she sold the Kesuvah to her
1. Is this like selling it to others, or like pardoning
to her husband?
(e) Answer (Rava): It is like selling to others.
(f) Question (Rav Idi Bar Avin - Mishnah): If she (a woman
that married, because she believed a witness that lied
and said that her husband died) dies, her heirs from both
husbands do not inherit her Kesuvah.
1. Question: But the Mishnah said she receives no
(g) Answer: There, Chachamim fined her.
2. Answer (Rav Papa): Her heirs do not receive Kesuvas
i. By Rava's reasoning, they should - her desire
to remarry is like being forced!
(h) (Ravin Bar Chanina, citing R. Elazar): One who pardons
her Kesuvah to her husband is not fed.
1. Rav Chisda: Had you not said that in the name of a
great man, I would apply "One who repays evil for
good, evil will not depart from his home" (and she
should be fed).
(i) An engaged girl died. Rav Nachman, Ula and Avimi ruled
that he must bury her or pay her Kesuvah.
(j) Question (Rav Chiya Bar Ami - Mishnah): One who lost an
engaged spouse: Does not have the law of an Onen (one who
lost a relative, before the burial); does not make
him/herself impure by engaging in the burial;
(k) When she dies, he does not inherit her; when he dies, she
collects a Kesuvah.
1. We infer, when she dies, she does not receive a
(l) (Ravin): An engaged girl that dies does not receive a
2. (Rav Hoshiya): The reason is, we do not apply "When
you will (be allowed to) marry another, you will
receive what I wrote to you".
1. Abaye: We already deduced this from a Mishnah.
3) HOW LONG ARE ORPHAN GIRLS FED?
(a) (Mishnah): Daughters you will have from me (will be fed)
4) WHICH GIRLS ARE FED
(b) Rav says that the Mishnah reads 'until they are taken by
men'; Levi says, it reads 'until Bagrus (6 months after
(c) Question: Does Rav really say that she is fed after
Bagrus? Does Levi really say she is fed after marriage?
(d) Clarification: Both agree, after Bagrus *or* marriage,
she is not fed.
1. They argue by engagement, before Bagrus.
(e) Tana'im argued as Rav and Levi.
2. Levi taught in his 'Mishnah', until Bagrus and the
time for marriage comes.
3. Question: Until both?!
4. Correction: Until Bagrus *or* the time for marriage.
1. (Beraisa): Girls are fed until engagement; R. Elazar
says, until Bagrus.
(f) Question (Rav Chisda): Did you here Rav Yehudah decide
2. (Rav Yosef - Beraisa): Until marriage.
3. Question: Until engagement, or until Nisu'in?
i. This question is unresolved.
(g) Version #1 - Answer (Rav Yosef): No, but presumably, she
is not fed.
1. Since she is engaged, her husband does not want her
to be disgraced (she is not fed from her father's
property, since her husband will feed her).
(h) Objection (Rav Chisda): The reasoning is the opposite -
since the husband is unsure if she has a blemish (which
would invalidate the marriage), he will not freely throw
away his money (to feed her; therefore, she should be fed
from her father's estate)!
(i) Version #2 - Answer (Rav Yosef): I didn't hear, but
presumably, she is fed.
1. Objection (Rav Chisda): Just the opposite! Since she
is engaged, her husband does not want her to be
(a) Question: A Mima'enes (girl that does Mi'un) - is she
(b) Answer (Rav Sheshes - Beraisa): A widow, divorcee or
Yevamah in her father's house is fed; R. Yehudah says, if
she is still in her father's house, she is fed; if not,
1. Question: The first Tana said the same!
(c) Question (Reish Lakish): The daughter of a Yevamah from
her Yavam - is she fed after the Yavam dies?
2. Answer: Rather, they argue by a Mima'enes; the first
Tana says she is fed, R. Yehudah says she is not.
1. Since we learned, her Kesuvah is collected from the
property of the deceased brother - she is not fed
(since he only obligated himself to feed his own
(d) Question (R. Elazar): The daughter of a Sheniyah (a
relative forbidden mid'Rabanan) - is she fed (after the
2. Or, since if there is not property from the deceased
husband, the Yavam writes her a Kesuvah from his own
property, she is fed!
i. The question is unresolved.