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Previous daf Kidushin 32
KIDUSHIN 32-35 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi
publications for these Dafim for the benefit of Klal Yisrael.
1) FEAR AND HONOR
(a) (Beraisa) Question: What is fear of parents, what is
2) HOW TO CORRECT A PARENT
(b) Answer: Fear - one does not sit or stand in his father's
place, he does not contradict him, nor prove that his
father is right;
(c) Honor - He gives him to eat and drink, he clothes him,
covers him, transports him.
(d) Question: Must the son honor his father from his own
(e) Answer #1 (Rav Yehudah): Yes.
(f) Answer #2 (R. Noson bar Oshiya): No, only from the
1. R. Yirmeyah asked; he was told to conduct as R.
(g) Question (Beraisa): It says "Honor your father and
mother", and "Honor Hash-m from your wealth" - just as
one must spend money to honor Hash-m, also to honor
1. If honor of parents is from the parents' money, the
son gets back whatever money he spends!
(h) Answer: He is not reimbursed for time he spent honoring
them and was unable to work.
(i) (Beraisa): The following pairs - either member can redeem
Ma'aser Sheni of the other without adding a fifth; either
member can feed the other Ma'aser Oni (if the latter is
1. Two brothers; 2 partners; a father and son; a Rebbi
(j) (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): The extent of honoring parents -
if the parent would throw the child's wallet in the sea,
the child must not embarrass the parent.
2. Question: If the son must spend to honor his father,
how can he fulfill his obligation with Ma'aser Oni?!
3. Answer: He must use his own money to feed the father
the basics; Ma'aser Oni can only be used for extras.
4. Question: (Beraisa): R. Yehudah says, a curse will
come upon one who feeds his father Ma'aser Oni!
i. If the Ma'aser Oni is only for extras, what is
wrong with this?
5. Answer: Still, it is disgraceful.
1. Question: If honor of parents is from the parents'
money, the son gets his money back, this is not so
2. Answer: The case is, the child stands to inherit the
3. Rav Huna tore silk in front of his son Rabah, to see
if Rabah would get angry.
4. Question: How could he do that - if he would get
angry, Rav Huna would have transgressed putting a
stumbling block before the blind!
5. Answer: Rav Huna pardoned his honor (so Rabah would
not transgress if he got angry).
6. Question: But Rav Huna transgressed wasting money!
7. Answer: He tore it at the seams, so it did not
8. Question: If so, why would Rabah get angry?
9. Answer: Rav Huna (looked) angry when he tore it (so
Rabah would assume that it was torn destructively).
(a) (Rav Yechezkel - Mishnah - R. Shimon): People sentenced
to be burned that became mixed with people standing to be
stoned - they are stoned, because this is less severe
3) PRIORITES OF HONOR
(b) (Rami (his son)): Father, don't teach that way - 'were
mixed with people standing to be stoned' connotes that
the majority should be stoned - even if burning was not
more severe, they would be stoned!
1. Rather, teach 'People sentenced to be stoned that
became mixed with people standing to be burned (they
are stoned, because this is less severe)'.
(c) Question (Rav Yechezkel - the end of the Mishnah):
Chachamim say, they are burned, because this is less
1. Since the majority should be burned - even if
burning not was less severe, they would be burned!
(d) Answer (Rami): Chachamim merely come to argue on R.
Shimon and say that stoning is more severe (R. Shimon
already taught that we always give the lighter
1. Shmuel (to Rami): You shouldn't speak that way to
i. (Beraisa): A man saw his father transgress a
Torah law. He should not say 'Father, you
transgressed'; rather, he should say 'Father,
this is what the Torah says'.
ii. Question: That will pain the father!
iii. Correction: Rather, he says 'Father, there is a
verse in the Torah that says...'
(a) (Beraisa - R. Elazar ben Masya): If father asks me to
serve him, and I have a Mitzvah to do - the Mitzvah takes
precedence, because my father is also obligated to do
1. Isi ben Yehudah says, if the Mitzvah can be done by
others, the son should serve his father.
(b) (Rav Masnah): The law is as Isi.
(c) (R. Yitzchak bar Shilo): A father can pardon the honor
due to him, a Rebbi cannot;
(d) (Rav Yosef): Even a Rebbi can pardon his honor - "Hash-m
went before (Yisrael) by day (in a cloud)."
(e) Question (Rava): That is not comparable!
1. Hash-m owns the whole world, so he can pardon his
4) FOR WHOM WE MUST STAND
2. A Rebbi does not own his Torah!
(f) Answer (Rava): I erred - a Rebbi does own his Torah - "In
his Torah he will think day and night"!
(g) Question: But Rava was serving at a meal honoring Rava's
son's wedding; Rav Papa and Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua
stood up for Rava;
1. Rav Mari and Rav Pinchas, sons of Rav Chisda, did
not stand for Rava, and Rava was upset!
(h) Answer: Even if the Rebbi pardons his honor, the Talmid
should move a bit to show honor.
i. Rava: Do you consider yourselves Chachamim, and
Rav Papa and Rav Huna are not?!
2. A similar episode occurred in which R. Yitzchak brei
d'Rav Yehudah did not stand for Rav Papa.
(i) (Rav Ashi): Even according to the opinion that a Rebbi
can pardon his honor, a Nasi cannot.
(j) Question (Beraisa): When R. Gamliel married off his son,
he was serving at the meal. R. Eliezer refused to take
from him; R. Yehoshua took from him.
1. R. Eliezer: How can we sit while R. Gamliel stands
and serves us?!
(k) Correction: Rather, Rav Ashi taught, even according to
the opinion that a Nasi can pardon his honor, a king
2. R. Yehoshua: We find someone greater that served -
Avraham was the greatest of his generation, and he
served his guests!
i. He did not know they were angels, he thought
they were nomads!
3. R. Tzadok: Why do you speak of mortals and neglect
i. Hash-m brings winds, raises clouds, makes rain
fall, makes vegetation flourish, and sets a
table before everyone - all the more so, R.
Gamliel can serve us!
1. "You will put a king upon you" - his fear should be
(a) (Beraisa): "You will rise for an elder" - one might have
thought, even for a wicked, unlearned elder - "Zaken
1. "Zaken" connotes a Chacham - "Gather for me 70 men
from the Zekenim of Yisrael".
(b) Suggestion: Perhaps one must rise when the Zaken is far
2. R. Yosi ha'Gelili says, "Zaken" denotes 'Zeh
she'KaNah (this that acquired Chachmah)'.
(c) Rejection: "You will rise and honor" - the Mitzvah to
rise is only where it will honor him (nearby, where it is
evident why he stood).
(d) Suggestion: Perhaps one must give money to the Zaken to
(e) Rejection: "You will rise and honor" - just as one does
not lose money by rising, one does not lose by honoring.
(f) Suggestion: Perhaps one must rise even in the Beis
ha'Kisei or bathhouse.
(g) Rejection: "You will rise and honor" - the Mitzvah to
rise is only in a place fit to honor him.
(h) Suggestion: Perhaps one may close his eyes as if he does
not see the Zaken (to avoid having to rise).
(i) Rejection: "You will rise and you will fear" - any
Mitzvah that depends on one's intention, it says "you
will fear Hash-m (who knows your intention)".
(j) (R. Shimon ben Elazar): "Zaken and you will fear" - this
teaches that a Zaken should not unnecessarily cause that
people must rise for him.
(k) (Isi ben Yehudah): "You will rise in front of an elder" -
(l) Question: The first Tana and R. Yosi ha'Gelili agree!
(m) Answer: They argue whether one must rise for a young
Chacham; R. Yosi ha'Gelili says, one must.
(n) Question: What is his reason?
(o) Answer: If one must rise only for an old Chacham, the
Torah should have written 'In front of an old Zaken, rise
1. Rather, it did not write "old" and "Zaken"
adjacently, to teach that one can be "old" without
being "Zaken" or vice-versa.
(p) The first Tana holds that if 2 different people are
included, the Torah should have said 'In front of an
elder, rise and honor; rise and honor a Zaken';
1. Rather, the Torah refers to 1 person (an old