REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Kidushin 8
KIDUSHIN 7-10 - Dedicated by an admirer of the work of the Dafyomi
Advancement Forum, l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Gisela (Golda bas Reb Chaim Yitzchak
Ozer) Turkel, A"H.
(a) What does the Beraisa extrapolate from the Pasuk in Behar (in connection
with an Eved Ivri) "mi'Kesef Miknaso"?
(b) Why can this not mean that ...
(c) So how does Rav Yosef interpret the Beraisa? What does 'Eino Nikneh
bi'Tevu'ah ve'Keilim' mean?
- ... an Eved Ivri cannot be acquired with produce or vessels (based on the Pasuk there "Yashiv Ge'ulaso")?
- ... he cannot be acquired with produce or vessels that are worth less than a P'rutah?
(d) And how does Rabah interpret it?
(a) What does Rav Nachman say about using Peiros for Chalipin?
(b) In that case, why can Rav Nachman not learn like Rabah's interpretation
of the Beraisa?
(c) To avoid establishing Rav Nachman like Rav Yosef, we establish the
Beraisa to mean 'Kesef ve'Keilim' that are worth less than a P'rutah.
do we resolve the problem that we had with this earlier (that in this case,
what is the Chidush of Kesef ve'Keilim)?
(a) What does the Tana of the Beraisa say with regard to someone who says to
a Kohen ...
(b) How does Rav Yosef explain the Reisha of the Beraisa? What does he
extrapolate from there?
- ... 'Eigel Zeh le'Pidyon B'ni; Talis Zeh le'Pidyon B'ni'?
- ... 'Eigel Zeh be'Chamesh Sela'im le'Pidyon B'ni; Talis Zeh be'Chamesh Sela'im le'Pidyon B'ni'?
(c) On what grounds does he decline to explain the Beraisa to mean that the
calf or the cloak are really worth less than five Sela'im, but the father
considers them to be worth that amount?
(a) How does Rabah establish the Beraisa?
(b) We prove this interpretation to be correct from Rav Kahana. What did Rav
Kahana once say, after receiving a Sudar (a special head-gear worn by
Talmidei-Chachamim) a Pidyon ha'Ben (see Tosfos DH 'Rav Kahana')?
(c) How did Rav Ashi qualify this Halachah? Why would Rav Kahana be
(d) We bear this out with an episode with Mar bar Rav Ashi, who paid for a
Sudar worth ten Zuz far more than it was really worth.
How much did he pay
for the Sudar that he bought from the mother of Rava from Kubi?
(a) Rebbi Elazar said that if someone betrothed a woman for a Manah, and at
the time of the Kidushin, he gave her a Dinar, she is Mekudeshes.
condition is she Mekudeshes?
(b) What is the reason for this?
(c) What does the Beraisa say about someone who was counting out the Manah
that he promised to give a woman as Kidushin?
(d) How do we reconcile this with Rebbi Elazar who considers her Mekudeshes
(a) What does the Seifa of the previous Beraisa say in a case where he said
'Manah Zu', and the Manah was subsequently found to contain ...
(b) Seeing as the Seifa speaks about 'Manah Zu', does this not imply that
the Reisha speaks about a S'tam Dinar, reinstating the Kashya on Rebbi
- ... a Dinar short or one copper Dinar?
- ... a poor-quality Dinar?
(c) We try and prove that the Reisha as well as the Seifa must be speaking
about 'Manah Zu', because otherwise, having taught us that 'Manah S'tam' the
Kidushin is not valid, then 'Kal va'Chomer' 'Manah Zu' and the Seifa would
not be necessary.
On what grounds do we refute this proof?
(d) Rav Ashi establishes the Reisha by 'Manah S'tam'.
How does he then
reconcile it with Rebbi Elazar?
(a) The Tana of the Beraisa invalidated the Kidushin, if one Dinar was found
to be a copper one.
Answers to questions
How come that she did not see it (in which case she
would be Mekudeshes, because she accepted it)?
(b) Why does he then validate the Kidushin if one of the Dinrim was found to
be a poor-quality one.
In what way is a poor-quality Dinar better than a
(a) If a man says to a woman 'Hiskadshi Li be'Manah', says Rava quoting Rav
Nachman, and leaves her a Mashkon (collateral), she is not Mekudeshes.
(b) We reconcile this with the Beraisa which says 'Kidshah be'Mashkon,
Mekudeshes', by citing Rebbi Yitzchak.
What does Rebbi Yitzchak say about
acquiring a Mashkon?
(c) How does he extrapolate this from the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei "u'Lecha
Tihyeh Tzedakah"? What is the Pasuk referring to?
(d) How does Rebbi Yitzchak's statement enable us to answer Rava's Kashya on
Rav Nachman from the Beraisa?
(a) The sons of Rav Chiya bar Avin had no money with which to pay for the
Shifchah they had purchased.
What did they give the seller as a Mashkon?
(b) On what grounds did the seller subsequently retract?
(c) What did Rebbi Ami rule when they tried to stop him from retracting?
(a) What does the Beraisa rule in the case of a woman who took the money
that a man gave her for Kidushin and threw it into the sea ... ?
(b) Can we extrapolate from there that had she thrown it back at him, she
would be Mekudeshes?
(c) What is the Beraisa coming to tell us? What might we otherwise have
(a) What does the Beraisa say in the case of a woman ...
(b) Why does the Tana need to mention both *her* father and *his* father.
- ... who instructed the man who offered her Kidushin money, to hand it to her or his father?
- ... who added 'al-M'nas she'Yekablum Li'?
What is the Chidush of ...
(c) Another Beraisa makes the same distinction between 'T'neim' and ' ... al
M'nas' but to a third person.
- ... her father?
- ... his father?
Why does the Tana need to repeat the Chidush
both by 'Aba and Avicha' and by 'P'loni'? Let him cite only the case of ...
- ... 'Aba and Avicha'?
- ... 'P'loni'?
(a) If the woman responds with instructions to place the Manah of Kidushin
on a rock she is not Mekudeshes, says the Tana in a Beraisa.
Why is she
nevertheless Mekudeshes if the rock belongs to her?
(b) Rav Bibi asks a She'eilah on this which remains unanswered.
(c) If she responds with instructions to give the loaf of Kidushin to a dog,
she is not Mekudeshes.
In which case will she nevertheless be Mekudeshes?
(d) Rav Mari asks what the Din will be if a dog is chasing her, and she asks
him to throw the loaf to the dog to save her. This She'eilah too, remains
Seeing as she definitely benefits from what he did, why might
she nevertheless not be Mekudeshes?
(a) Why is she definitely not Mekudeshes if she tell him to give the loaf of
bread to a poor man?
Answers to questions
(b) Will it make any difference if the poor man is generally supported by