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Previous daf Menachos 105
1) A "STAM MINCHAH"
(a) (Mishnah): If he said 'Alai Minchah', he may bring any
Minchas Nedavah...(R. Yehudah obligates bringing Soles,
the choice Minchah.)
2) TYPES OF "MINCHAH"
(b) (Beraisa): This (R. Yehudah's opinion) is because the
Torah taught about Minchas Soles first.
(c) Question: If so, R. Yehudah should always require one to
bring the first species the Torah teaches (but he does
1. If one said 'Alai Olah', he should have to bring a
bull; 'Alai Olah of Tzon', he should have to bring a
lamb; 'Alai Of', he should have to bring a Tor!
(d) Retraction: Rather, R. Yehudah requires Minchas Soles
because it does not have an accompanying name (the Torah
calls it just 'Minchah', the others have an added name,
e.g. 'Minchas Machavas', 'Minchas Ma'afe Tanur'...'.)
2. (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Olah', he may bring a
lamb (the smallest Zevach);
3. R. Elazar ben Azaryah says, he may bring a Tor or
i. Summation of question: R. Yehudah does not
(e) Question: The Beraisa said differently, i.e. because the
Torah taught Minchas Soles first!
(f) Answer: It means, the choice Minchah without an
accompanying name that R. Yehudah refers to is the first
one the Torah taught.
(g) Objection: This is obvious, R. Yehudah explicitly said
that he must bring Minchas Soles!
(h) Answer: The Beraisa merely gives a way to remember which
one R. Yehudah requires.
(a) (Mishnah): If he said '(Alai) Minchah', or 'a type of
3) CAN THE MISHNAH BE REBBI SHIMON?
(b) Question (Rav Papa): If he said 'Types of Minchah', what
is the law?
1. 'Types' connotes at least two - all the Menachos are
also called 'Minchah', "V'Zos Toras ha'Minchah";
(c) Answer (Mishnah): If he said '(Alai) Minchah', or 'a type
of Minchah', he brings one.
2. Or, since he said 'Minchah', surely he means only
one - he means, of the *types* of Minchah, I will
(d) Inference: Had he said 'Types of Minchah', he would bring
(e) Contradiction (Mishnah): If he said 'Menachos', or 'types
of *Menachos*', he brings two.
(f) Inference: Had he said 'Types of Minchah', he would bring
(g) Conclusion: The inferences contradict one another - we
cannot determine which is correct, we cannot resolve the
question from here.
(h) (Beraisa): If he said 'Menachos', or 'types of
*Menachos*', he brings two of the same type.
(i) Inference: Had he said 'Types of Minchah', he would bring
(j) Rejection: Perhaps if he said 'Types of Minchah', he
would bring two of different types.
(k) Question: A Beraisa teaches otherwise!
1. (Beraisa): If he said 'A type of Menachos is Alai',
he brings two Menachos of one type;
(l) Answer: The Beraisa is like R. Shimon, who permits
bringing a Minchah half Chalos, half Rekikim (this
fulfills '*types* of Minchah');
2. 'Types of Menachos are Alai' - he brings two
Menachos of two types.
3. Inference: Had he said 'Types of Minchah', he would
1. According to Chachamim, such a Minchah may not be
brought, he must bring two Menachos, of different
(a) (Mishnah): If he knows that he specified which type, but
does not remember which, he must bring all five.
(b) Question: Who is the Tana of the Mishnah?
(c) Answer #1 (R. Yirmeyah): It is not R. Shimon (according
to him there are more than five) - he says that one may
bring some of the loaves of a Minchah (Ma'afe Tanur)
Chalos, the rest Rekikim!
1. (If R. Shimon holds like R. Meir (who says that 12
loaves are brought), there are 11 additional
possibilities, i.e. perhaps he specified a number of
Chalos anywhere between one and 11, and the rest
(d) Objection (and Answer #2 - Abaye): It is even like R.
Shimon - R. Shimon holds that one may bring and stipulate
(here also, he brings 10 (or 12, according to R. Meir)
Chalos, and 10 (or 12) Rekikim and stipulates the amount
(of each) he vowed are for his vow, all loaves in excess
of his vow are a Nedavah):
2. Even if R. Shimon holds like R. Yehudah, who says
that 10 loaves are brought, there are still (nine
additional possibilities, a total of) 14 types of
1. (Beraisa - R. Shimon): (A Nazir became doubtfully
Tamei Mes; additionally, he was a Metzora Muchlat
(the Tzara'as has gone away), he is unsure if he
must perform Taharas Metzora or if he already
fulfilled it. He brings Tziporim (birds) today for
the first step of Taharah; on day 30, he shaves all
his hair.) The next day, he brings a (lamb for)
Asham Metzora and a Log of oil, and stipulates:
2. If I need to bring Asham Metzora, this is the Asham
and the oil that must be brought with it; if I need
not bring it, this lamb is a Shelamim;
(e) Answer: Normally, R. Shimon forbids stipulating about a
Shelamim (that it might be an Asham), for this may lead
to wasting Kodshim (perhaps it is really a Shelamim, it
should be permitted for two days, but we may not eat it
on the second day for we suspect that it might be an
3. (Since it might be Asham Metzora,) it must be
slaughtered in the north, some of the blood must be
put on his ear, thumb and toe;
4. It requires Semichah and Nesachim (in any case; some
say, it is not a proper Semichah, for Asham Metzora
does not require Semichah mid'Oraisa, it is
permitted to lean on a Korban only when (definitely)
fulfilling the Mitzvah of Semichah.)
5. It requires Tenufah of Chazeh v'Shok (in case it is
a Shelamim), it may be eaten only by male Kohanim
for one day and the following night (in case it is
6. Summation of objection: Granted, you hold that R.
Shimon only allows stipulating (l'Chatchilah) when
this is the only solution (there is no other way to
Metaher the Metzora to eat Kodshim), but normally,
he forbids it l'Chatchilah!
1. All Menachos are eaten for one day (and a night),
l'Chatchilah one may stipulate, this will not cause
them to be wasted.
(f) Question (against Abaye - Rav Papa): (You establish our
Mishnah even like R. Shimon - even though) R. Shimon
holds that one Minchah may be (hybrid, i.e.) partially
Chalos and partially Rekikim, he can bring an Isaron of
Chalos and an Isaron of Rekikim and stipulate;
1. How can the Isaron and/or Log of oil for the Minchah
he vowed be brought from two separate Esronim/Lugim?
(g) Answer (Abaye): Indeed, we know that R. Shimon is
Machshir if an Isaron and/or Log was brought from two
separate Esronim/Lugim. (Tosfos - we know this regarding
an Isaron, for R. Shimon holds that dry measures do not
Mekadesh their contents.)
(h) Question: How is Kemitzah done?
(i) Answer: He takes a Kometz from the Chalos and a Kometz
from the Rekikim and stipulates:
1. If the Chalos are a Minchah by themselves (and also
the Rekikim), the Kometz from the Chalos exempts the
Chalos, the Kometz from the Rekikim exempts the
(j) Question: If he vowed some Chalos and some Rekikim, the
Kometz must be from both of them - a Kometz from Chalos
cannot exempt Rekikim, a Kometz from Rekikim cannot
2. If I vowed some Chalos and some Rekikim, the Kometz
from the Chalos exempts those Chalos and Rekikim,
the Kometz from the Rekikim exempts the Nedavah of
the additional Chalos and Rekikim.
(k) Answer: Indeed, we know that R. Shimon says that if the
Kometz consisted only of Chalos or Rekikim, it is valid.