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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Menachos 106
1) OFFERING THE UNSPECIFIED VOW
(a) Question: We do not know what to do with the extra oil!
2) THE ARGUMENT OF REBBI AND CHACHAMIM
1. If he vowed half Chalos and half Rekikim, some of
the half-Log of oil for the Rekikim is put on them,
the extra is added to the half-Log for the Chalos
and mixed with the flour for the Chalos;
(b) Answer: The Beraisa is like R. Shimon ben Yehudah:
2. If he vowed only Rekikim, all the excess oil is
eaten by Kohanim!
1. (Beraisa - R. Shimon ben Yehudah citing R. Shimon):
If he vowed some Chalos and some Rekikim, he anoints
the Rekikim in the form of an 'X', the extra oil is
eaten by Kohanim.
(c) Question (Rav Kahana): Perhaps he vowed Minchas Nesachim!
1. (Rava): A person may bring a Nedavah of Minchas
Nesachim (by itself) every day.
(d) Answer #1: We only suspect that he vowed to bring
something that only individuals bring, not something
brought by the Tzibur;
(e) Answer #2: We only suspect that he vowed to bring
something that (normally) is brought by itself.
(f) Answer #3: We only suspect that he vowed to bring
something that requires Levonah.
(g) Answer #4: We only suspect that he vowed to bring
something that requires one Log of oil (per Isaron), not
three (or two) Lugim.
(h) Answer #5: We only suspect that he vowed to bring
something that requires Kemitzah.
(a) (Mishnah): If he knows that he specified a certain number
(b) (Beraisa - Chachamim): If he knows that he specified to
bring a certain number of Esronim in one Kli, but does
not remember the amount, he must bring 60 Esronim;
(c) Rebbi says, he must bring Menachos of every size, from
one Isaron until 60, 1830 Esronim in all.
(d) Chachamim say, if he knows that he specified the type and
size of Minchah, but does not remember either, he must
bring a Minchah of 60 Esronim of each of the five types;
(e) Rebbi says, he must bring Menachos of every size, from
one Isaron until 60, for each of the five types, 9150
Esronim in all.
(f) Question: What do they argue about?
(g) Answer #1 (Rav Chisda): They argue about whether or not
it is permitted to bring Chulin into the Azarah:
1. Chachamim permit this - therefore, he brings 60
Esronim, some (or all) is his vow, the rest is
(h) Answer #2 (Rabah): All forbid Chulin in the Azarah - they
argue about whether or not one may mix Chovah (the vow he
was obligated to bring) with Nedavah:
2. Rebbi forbids Chulin in the Azarah, therefore, the
only solution is to bring Menachos of every size
(one is his vow, the rest are Nedavos.)
1. Chachamim permit this - he brings 60 Esronim, some
(or all) is his vow, the rest is Nedavah;
(i) Question (Abaye): You say that Chachamim permit mixing
Chovah with Nedavah - but Kemitzah of each must be taken!
2. Rebbi forbids mixing, therefore, he must bring
Menachos of every size.
(j) Answer: A Kemitzah is taken for one of them, and another
for the other.
(k) Question: Perhaps some of the Kemitzah l'Shem Chovah was
from the Nedavah, and/or vice-versa!
(l) Answer: The owner stipulates based on what the Kohen will
1. Whatever the Kohen takes in his hand the first time
is (part of the) Chovah, what he takes the second
time is Nedavah.
(m) Question: How can he Maktir the Komtzim?
1. If he is Maktir (the Kometz of) the Nedavah first he
cannot Maktir (that of) the Chovah later - perhaps
all of it was Chovah, the Shirayim are Chaserim (a
'Kometz' was Huktar l'Shem Nedavah);
i. If Shirei Minchah became Chaser in between
Kemitzah and Haktarah, we do not Maktir the
2. If he is Maktir the Chovah first he cannot Maktir
the Nedavah later - perhaps all of it was Chovah,
the 'Kometz' of the Nedavah is really Shirayim;
3) MINIMAL "NEDAVOS"
(n) Answer (Rav Yehudah brei d'R. Shimon ben Pazi): (He is
Maktir the Chovah first,) when he is Maktir the Nedavah
he stipulates that if all of it was Chovah, it is (not
l'Shem Kometz, rather,) l'Shem Etzim (like burning wood
on the Mizbe'ach, i.e. not an obligatory Avodah) - this
is like R. Eliezer;
i. It is forbidden Lehaktir Shirayim of anything
which is partially Huktar!
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): "L'Re'ach Nicho'ach" - you
may not offer (Chametz or honey (i.e. any sweet
derivative of fruit)) on the Mizbe'ach to fulfill
Hash-m's will, but they may be burned l'Shem Etzim.
(o) Question (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): Perhaps all permit
mixing Chovah with Nedavah, and they argue about R.
Eliezer's law - Chachamim agree with it, Rebbi does not!
(p) Answer (Rav Ashi): If Rebbi permitted mixing Chovah with
Nedavah, just he disagreed with R. Eliezer's law, it
would suffice to offer two Menachos:
1. He would put one Isaron in one Kli (Nedavah) and 60
in the other Kli (for the vow - the excess over the
vow is also Nedavah), touch them together, and take
Kemitzah from each.
(q) Answer #3 (to question (f) - Rava): All permit mixing
Chovah with Nedavah, all agree to R. Eliezer's law, they
argue like R. Eliezer ben Yakov and Chachamim:
1. (Mishnah): One Log of oil is used for each Log of
Minchas Nedavah, 60 Lugim for 60 Esronim;
(r) Answer #4 (Rav Ashi): They argue whether or not one who
brought a larger Minchah than he vowed was Yotzei
(fulfilled his obligation) - Chachamim hold that he was,
Rebbi holds that he was not.
2. R. Eliezer ben Yakov says, only one Log is used,
even for 60 Esronim - "L'Minchah v'Log Shamen".
3. Chachamim (that argue with Rebbi) hold like
Chachamim of this Mishnah - in any case, 60 Lugim
are used for 60 Esronim, whether it is all Chovah or
4. Rebbi holds like R. Eliezer - we cannot bring one
Minchah of 60 Esronim, for we do not know whether it
is all Chovah (and requires only one Lug) or is
partially Nedavah (and requires two Lugim.)
(s) Question: They already argued about this elsewhere!
1. (Mishnah): If one vowed to bring a small Zevach and
brought a big Zevach, he was Yotzei;
(t) Answer: The argument must be taught in both cases:
2. Rebbi says, he was not.
1. If we only taught regarding Menachos, one might have
thought that Chachamim say that he was Yotzei
because in any case one Kometz is offered, but
regarding Zevachim, a bigger animal has more
Eimurim, all agree that he was not Yotzei;
2. If we only taught regarding Zevachim, one might have
thought that Rebbi argues there because a bigger
animal has more Eimurim, but he agrees regarding
Menachos, for in any case one Kometz is offered.
(a) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Etzim', he must bring at
least two big logs;
(b) If he vowed to bring Levonah, he must bring at least a
(c) The Shi'ur of a Kometz applies to five things:
1. One who vows to bring Levonah must bring at least a
(d) If one said 'Alai Zahav', he must bring at least a gold
2. One who brings Minchas Nedavah must bring a Kometz
3. One who offers a Kometz outside the Mikdash is
4. Each of the two Bazichim (spoons of Levonah brought
with Lechem ha'Panim) must have a Kometz. (This
counts as two of the five things.)
(e) If one said 'Alai Kesef', he must bring at least a silver
(f) If one said 'Alai Nechoshes', he must bring copper worth
a silver Ma'ah (a sixth of a Dinar.)
(g) If he says 'I specified how much I will bring, but I do
not remember how much', he must bring an amount that he
is sure that he did not vow more than this.
(h) (Gemara - Beraisa): "Korban" - this teaches that one may
bring a Nedavah of wood.
1. One must bring at least two large logs -
"Veha'Goralos Hipalnu Al Korban ha'Etzim" (Tosfos -
if he vowed to bring 'Etzim', but if he vowed to
bring 'Etz', one log suffices.)
(i) (Mishnah): If he vowed to bring Levonah, he must bring at
least a Kometz.
2. Rebbi says, wood is considered a Korban, it requires
salt and Hagashah (for it is Hukash to Minchah.)
3. (Rava): According to Rebbi, wood requires Kemitzah.
4. (Rav Papa): According to Rebbi, wood requires (must
be burned on) other wood.
(j) Question: What is the source of this?
(k) Answer: "V'Herim Mimenu b'Kumtzo mi'Soles ha'Minchah
umi'Shmanah v"Es Kol ha'Levonah" - the verse equates
Levonah to the part taken from the Minchah, i.e. a
(l) (Beraisa): If one said 'Alai l'Mizbe'ach', he must bring
Levonah, for this is the only thing that is entirely for
1. If he says 'I specified what I will bring, but I do
not remember what', he must bring everything offered
on the Mizbe'ach.
(m) Question: There are other things entirely for the
Mizbe'ach, e.g. an Olah!
(n) Answer: Its skin is given to Kohanim.
(o) Question: Olas ha'Of is entirely for the Mizbe'ach!
(p) Answer: Its innards and feathers are removed (and burned
in Beis ha'Deshen.)
(q) Question: Nesachim are entirely for the Mizbe'ach!
(r) Answer: They are poured through the Shitim (they are not
consumed by the Mizbe'ach.)
(s) Question: Minchas Nesachim is entirely consumed by the
(t) Answer: Some Menachos are (mostly) eaten by Kohanim,
presumably the one who vowed intended for something that
is always Kalil.