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MENACHOS 109-110 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs.
Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb
Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the
merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his
Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.
1) FULFILLING VOWS IN "BEIS CHONYO"
(a) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Olah', he must offer it in
2) KOHANIM THAT SERVED IDOLATRY
1. If he offered it in Beis Chonyo (a place in
Alexandria where certain Kohanim would offer (Tosfos
- Korbanos of Nochrim) to Hash-m - this will be
explained more on Amud B), he was not Yotzei (did
not fulfill his obligation);
(b) If he said 'Alai Olah (on condition) that I will offer
(it) in Beis Chonyo', he must offer it in the Mikdash;
1. If he offered it in Beis Chonyo, he was Yotzei.
(c) If one said 'I am a Nazir', he must Megale'ach (bring
Korbanos Nazir upon finishing Nezirus) in the Mikdash;
(Megale'ach literally means 'shave', but this is done
outside the Mikdash.)
1. If he was Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo, he was not
(d) If he said 'I am a Nazir, (on condition that) I will
Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo', he must Megale'ach in the
1. If he was Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo, he was Yotzei.
(e) R. Shimon says, he is not a Nazir.
(f) (Gemara) Question: Why was he Yotzei - (a Korban
slaughtered outside the Mikdash is Pasul,) it is as if it
was (not slaughtered, just) killed!
(g) Answer #1 (Rav Hamnuna): It is as if he said 'Alai Olah
on condition that I will have no Acharayos (obligation to
bring another Korban if the animal I Makdish is lost or
(h) Question (Rava - Seifa): 'I am a Nazir, I will Megale'ach
in Beis Chonyo', he must Megale'ach in the Mikdash; if he
was Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo, he was Yotzei.
1. You cannot say that it is as if he said 'I am a
Nazir on condition that I will have no Acharayos for
Korbanos Nazir - until a Nazir brings Korbanos, the
prohibitions of Nezirus apply to him!
(i) Answer #2 (Rava): One who vows on condition to offer in
Beis Chonyo does not intend for a real Korban, rather, a
mere 'gift' to Hash-m, he is willing to offer in Beis
Chonyo, he does not obligate himself to more exertion
than this (e.g. to offer in the Mikdash - the case is, he
is closer to Beis Chonyo than to the Mikdash.)
1. Version #1 (Rashi): Similarly, one who accepts
Nezirus on condition to Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo
does not intend for real Nezirus, rather, just to
afflict himself - he does not accept more than to
(Rambam - accept the prohibitions of Nezirus until
he is) Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo. (If he was
permitted to drink wine, this would be like R.
(j) Answer (to Question (h), on behalf of Rav Hamnuna):
Indeed, the case of Kabalas (pseudo-)Nezirus is like Rava
says - however, the first clause is a vow to bring a
proper Olah without Acharayos.
2. Version #2 (Tosfos Kesuvos 56A (Harei)): Similarly,
a stipulation to Megale'ach in Beis Chonyo shows a
limit on how much he accepts to exert himself:
i. If he is Megale'ach in the Mikdash, he was
indeed a Nazir; if not, this reveals
retroactively that he never accepted Nezirus!
(k) R. Yochanan agrees with Rav Ham
1. (Rabah bar bar Chanah, citing R. Yochanan): If one
said 'Alai Olah (on condition) that I will offer
(it) in Beis Chonyo', and he offered it (outside the
Mikdash) in Eretz Yisrael, he was Yotzei, he is
Chayav Kares (for Shechutei Chutz, for it is a real
(l) Support (for R. Yochanan and Rav Hamnuna - Beraisa): If
one said 'Alai Olah (on condition) that I will offer (it)
in the Midbar', and he offered it in Ever ha'Yarden, he
was Yotzei, he is Chayav Kares.
(a) (Mishnah): Kohanim that served in Beis Chonyo are
disqualified from Avodah in the Mikdash in Yerushalayim
(Tosfos, citing Rashi - but such service does not
disqualify from Avodah in the Mikdash in Nov or Giv'on);
1. We need not say that another matter (idolatry)
(b) (Gemara - Rav Yehudah): If a Kohen slaughtered to
idolatry, his Korban (i.e. what he (later) offers to
Hash-m) is acceptable.
2. "Ach Lo Ya'alu Kohanei ha'Bamos El Mizbach Hash-m
bi'Yrushalayim Ki Im Achlu Matzos b'Soch Acheihem" -
they are like Ba'alei Mumim, they receive portions
and may eat Kodshim, but they may not serve.
(c) (R. Yitzchak bar Avodimi): He learns from "Ya'an Asher
*Yesharsu* Osam Lifnei Giluleihem v'Hayu l'Veis Yisrael
l'Michshol Avon...V'Lo Yigshu Elai Lechahen Li" - a Kohen
is disqualified only for *Sherus* (special Avodah) of
idolatry, slaughter is not considered Sherus (because
even Chulin is slaughtered, or because Zarim may
slaughter in the Mikdash.)
(d) (Rav Nachman): If a Kohen was Zorek to idolatry b'Shogeg,
his Korban is acceptable;
(e) (Rav Sheshes): It is not acceptable.
(f) Rav Sheshes: I learn from "V'Hayu l'Veis Yisrael
1. Suggestion: Kohanim are disqualified for "Michshol"
*or* "Avon" (they are distinct,) i.e. for Shogeg or
(g) Rejection (Rav Nachman): No, they are disqualified for
Michshol *of* Avon (stumbling in intentional sin.)
(h) Rav Nachman: I learn from a Beraisa:
1. (Beraisa): "V'Chiper ha'Kohen Al ha'Nefesh
ha'Shogeges b'Cheta'ah bi'Shgagah" - this teaches
that a Kohen can (bring the Korban to) atone for his
sin (of idolatry).
(i) Rejection (and Answer #2 - Rav Sheshes): Really, he
slaughtered to idolatry;
2. Question: How did he sin?
i. Suggestion: He slaughtered to idolatry.
3. Answer #1: He was Zorek to idolatry.
ii. Rejection: If so, even if he was Mezid he could
atone for himself (slaughter is not Sherus!)
1. Had he been Mezid, he could not atone for himself
(even though this is not Sherus), for he became a
priest of the idolatry.
(j) Each of them is consistent with his opinion in another
(k) (Rav Nachman): If a Kohen slaughtered to idolatry
b'Mezid, his Korban is acceptable, for this is not
(l) (Rav Sheshes): It is not acceptable, for he became a
priest of the idolatry.
(m) Rav Nachman: I learn from a Beraisa:
3) "BEIS CHONYO"
1. (Beraisa): If a Kohen served idolatry and repented,
his Korban is acceptable.
(n) Rejection (and Answer #2 - Rav Sheshes): Really, he was
2. Question: Was he Shogeg or Mezid?
i. If he was Shogeg, why does it say that he
repented - he never intended to sin!
3. Answer #1: Rather, he was Mezid.
4. Question: What Avodah did he do?
i. If he was Zorek, Teshuvah would not help, he
5. Answer: Rather, he slaughtered.
1. The Beraisa means, if he repented from the
beginning, i.e. he sinned b'Shogeg, his Korban is
acceptable, if not it is not acceptable.
(o) (Rav Nachman): If a Kohen bowed to idolatry, his Korban
(p) (Rav Sheshes): It is not acceptable.
(q) (Rav Nachman): If a Kohen accepted an idolatry to be his
god, his Korban is acceptable;
(r) (Rav Sheshes): It is not acceptable.
(s) They must argue in all four cases:
1. If they only argued regarding Zerikah, one might
have thought that only there Rav Sheshes is Posel
his Korban, for he did Sherus, but slaughter (even
b'Mezid) is not Sherus;
2. If they (also) argued regarding slaughter (but not
bowing), one might have thought that there Rav
Sheshes is Posel, for he did Avodah, but bowing is
3. If they (also) argued regarding bowing (but not
accepting it for his god), one might have thought
that there Rav Sheshes is Posel, for he did an
action, but acceptance is mere speech;
4. Therefore, they must argue in all cases.
(a) (Mishnah): ...All the more so another matter (idolatry)
(b) Inference: This implies that Beis Chonyo is not idolatry;
our Mishnah is like R. Yehudah:
1. (Beraisa - R. Meir): One year (after Yom Kipur)
Shimon ha'Tzadik (correctly) predicted that he would
die that year.
(c) Version #1 (Beraisa - R. Yehoshua ben Perachyah): If
someone begins and says 'Alai Olah' (i.e. before
designating an animal - this is improper, perhaps he will
not fulfill his vow), I will tie him up in front of a
lion. (Tosfos - according to this text, this teaching
should be earlier in the Gemara:)
2. People: How do you know?
3. Shimon ha'Tzadik: Every Yom Kipur I used to see the
form of an elder dressed in white, he would enter
and exit the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim with me; this year,
I saw an elder dressed in black, he entered with me
but did not leave with me.
4. After Sukos, he fell sick for seven days, and died;
Kohanim ceased to use Hash-m's name in Birkas
Kohanim (Tosfos Sotah 38A (Harei) - because they no
longer merited Giluy Shechinah.)
5. At the time he died, he commanded that his son
Chonyo be the next Kohen Gadol; Chonyo's older
brother Shim'i was jealous.
6. Shim'i told Chonyo 'I will teach you how to serve
(Tosfos - on the day of your inauguration.)' He put
two extra garments on him, and had him stand near
the Mizbe'ach. He told the other Kohanim that the
garments were of Chonyo's beloved (Rashi - wife;
Rambam - harlot), he had vowed to her to wear them
on his first day of Avodas Kohen Gadol. They chased
after Chonyo to kill him; he fled to Alexandria and
built a Mizbe'ach and offered to idolatry.
i. Chachamim observed, how much one can be
overcome with jealousy for a position he never
held, all the more so one who held it (should
not be demoted, lest he ruin himself!)
7. R. Yehudah: No, this is what happened - Chonyo
insisted that his older brother Shim'i be the Kohen
Gadol, but later he became jealous.
8. Chonyo told Shim'i 'I will teach you how to serve.'
He had him stand near the Mizbe'ach with extra
garments, he told the other Kohanim that Shim'i was
fulfilling his vow to his beloved. They sought to
kill Shim'i; he explained what happened, and (after
verifying his story) they chased after Chonyo to
kill him. He fled to the king's house, everyone who
saw him would tell the pursuers. He fled to
Alexandria and built a Mizbe'ach and offered (Tosfos
- Korbanos of Nochrim) l'Shem Hash-m - "Ba'Yom ha'Hu
Yihyeh Mizbe'ach la'Sh-m b'Soch Eretz Mitzrayim..."
i. Chachamim observed, one who fled from honor was
so overcome with jealousy, all the more so one
who seeks it!
(d) Version #2 (Beraisa - R. Yehoshua ben Perachyah): At the
beginning, if someone would have told me to rise (become
Nasi), I would have tied him up in front of a lion (for
he is like a Rodef, authority buries those who bear it -
heard in the name of R. Yechezkeil Levenstein; Maharal -
one is very prone to be damaged by a lion, just like a
leader is prone to sin);
1. After becoming Nasi, if someone would tell me to
step down, I would pour boiling water over him
(Maharal - an awesome pain, like the pain of losing
authority. Maharsha - he would inflict the damage
himself. The Yerushalayimi (Pesachim 6:1) explains,
he would take all measures to remain Nasi, lest his
replacement would not Mekadesh Hash-m as much as
2. We find that Sha'ul hid when Shmuel wanted to make
him king; after he was king, and he sensed that
David would be the next king, he sought to kill