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Prepared by P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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1) IRREDEEMABLE HEKDESH
(a) Question (Rav Hamnuna): To where did the Kedushah go?
1. If a man told a woman, 'Today you are my wife,
tomorrow you are not' - does she cease to be his
wife without a Get?!
(b) Answer (Rava): You cannot compare monetary Kedushah to
1. Monetary Kedushah can vanish; intrinsic Kedushah
(c) Objection (Abaye): Also intrinsic Kedushah can vanish!
1. (Beraisa): 'This ox is a burnt-offering' for 30
days, after 30 days, it is a Shelamim' - for 30 days
it is a burnt-offering; after that, a Shelamim.
(d) Answer (Rava): The case is he said that the value of the
ox should be for a burnt-offering.
2. We see, intrinsic Kedushah can vanish!
(e) Question: If so, why does the end of the Beraisa say,
'After 30 days, this ox is a burnt-offering; from now, it
is a Shelamim' (his words are fulfilled)?
1. We understand, if one is a case of intrinsic
Kedushah, and the other, monetary Kedushah, it was
needed to teach both cases.
(f) Suggestion: This refutes Bar Pada, who says that even
monetary Kedushah cannot vanish.
i. One might have thought, intrinsic Kedushah
cannot vanish, but monetary Kedushah can!
2. But if both deal with monetary Kedushah - why must 2
cases be taught?
i. If a severe Kedushah (a burnt-offering) can
vanish, to be replaced by a light Kedushah (a
Shelamim) - all the more so, a light Kedushah
can vanish, to be replaced by a severe
(g) Rejection (Rav Papa): No - he can explain the Beraisa to
say, had he not said 'It is a Shelamim from now', it
would be a burnt-offering after 30 days.
1. This is as a man that tells a woman, 'You will be
engaged to me after 30 days' - the engagement takes
effect, even if the money is consumed in the
(h) Objection: This is obvious!
(i) Answer: No - we learn, even if in the meantime he wants
to retract the engagement.
1. This fits well according to the opinion that she may
not retract during the 30 days.
(j) (R. Avin and Rav Yitzchak b'Rebbi): According to Bar Pada
we can resolve R. Hoshaya's question.
2. Question: According to the opinion that she may
retract during the 30 days, we cannot give this
3. Answer: Even that opinion admits here that he cannot
retract, for saying that one will give something to
Hekdesh is as handing over (an act of acquisition)
to a person.