POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafPesachim 86
Pesachim 81 - 95: We are grateful to Mr. Mark Frankel of Queens, N.Y. for
suggesting the idea of "Point by Point Summaries" and sponsoring its initial
two weeks -- Tizkeh l'Mitzvos!
1) "GAGIN VA'ALIYOS" - THE ROOFTOPS
(a) The rooftops and upper floors were not sanctified.
2) MISHNA: THE APPEARANCE OF TWO "CHABUROS"
(b) Question [R. Chiya]: But we learned that they went up to the
roofs to eat the Pesach!?
(c) Answer: They went up to say Hallel.
(d) Question: The Mishna teaches that we are not permitted to
separate from the place of eating the Pesach?
(e) Answer: That is only during the eating.
(f) Question: But we learned that there *is* Kedushah to the upper
story in the case of the Kodeshei Kodoshim!?
(g) Answer: From the Pasuk we see that this Kedushah is restricted to
the Heichal, and not to all of Jerusalem.
(h) Question: But we find that the roofs of the upper rooms above the
Azarah facing Har HaBayis *were* Kadosh!?
(i) Answer: Those rooms were sunken such that their roofs were level
with the Azarah.
(j) Question: The Seifa speaks of rooms on Har HaBayis which open to
the Azarah as having Kedushah, which they should not have, given
that they are underground.
(k) Answer: The "underground" exemption is only for rooms which open
to Har HaBayis, not the reverse.
(l) Question: Why should the tunnels be Chol (since, presumably, they
open to the Azarah)?
(m) Answer: These are tunnels that were open to Chol.
(n) Question: Why does the Bereisa teach that the roofs were Kodesh.
1. Question: We find that the rooftops were not Kodesh!?
(o) Answer: That was only for specific utensils.
2. Answer: Now you have a contradiction since one Bereisa
teaches that the rooftops of the Heichal were Kodesh and one
that they were not?
1. The utensils were two rulers.
(p) Question: The tops of the walls were Kadosh, indicating that the
roofs *were* Niskadesh!?
2. These were stored in the corners of the roof.
3. One was larger than the other, and both were larger than
that of Moshe.
(i) The different lengths were used to avoid Me'ilah.
(ii) Question: Why *two* such longer rulers?
(iii)Answer: The shorter of the two was for valuable
materials; the longer for building.
1. The windows could easily have been on the same level as the
(q) Answer: The tops of the walls refer to lower, inner walls, on the
same level as the floor of the Azarah.
2. The tops of the walls must have been higher, like roofs.
(a) Two groups eating in one house are permitted to turn away from
one another as well as having the wine dispenser between them.
3) SPLITTING THE KORBAN PESACH
(b) The attendant must close his mouth when eating from one group
while serving the other.
(c) A Kallah is also permitted to turn away from her group.
(a) R. Yehudah taught that the Korban can be split to two Chaburos.
1. One person may not eat from two Chaburos.
(b) R. Shimon taught that while the original eating of the Korban
must be in one house, an individual may continue in another
2. If an attendant ate near the oven he should continue eating
there, and the others should, ideally, join him there.
(c) The basis for their dispute is how to interpret the word "will be
4) THE KALLAH TURNS AWAY
1. R. Yehudah gives priority to the tradition.
(d) A test case is where a Mechitzah was placed which divided a
2. R. Shimon gives priority to the word as it is read.
1. The one who permits the Pesach to be eaten by two Chaburos,
it is fine, however;
(e) Another case is where a Mechitzah was removed between two groups.
2. The one who prohibits would not allow this, either.
1. The one who permits a person to move his eating, would
permit them to continue, however;
2. The one who prohibits, would consider this to be a move.
3. R. Kehane learned this case as determined.
4. R. Ashi learned this case as an unanswered question.
(a) She sits this way out of embarrassment.
5) RELATING TO THE SHAMASH
(b) Rav Huna visited the home of R. Nachman b. Yitzhok.
1. He introduced himself as *Rav* Huna.
(c) R. Yishmael b. R. Yosi visited R. Shimon b. R. Yosi.
2. He immediately accepted the offer of a respected seat.
3. He similarly accepted the cup offered him.
4. He drank the cup in two gulps, and in full view.
5. When asked why he introduced himself as Rav, he said that he
"owned that name."
6. When asked why he sat right down, he said that one must
abide the wishes of the host.
7. When asked why he accepted the cup straightaway, he said
that one does not decline the offer of a great person.
8. When asked why he drank it in two sips, he taught that one
is guzzling, two is proper and three is haughty.
9. When asked why he drank in full view, he said that the
Mishna speaks of a Kallah turning aside, not a man.
1. He immediately accepted the cup and drank it in one go.
2. When asked why he did not pause in his drinking he explained
that it does not apply to such small cups, to sweetened wine
and to one with a wide girth.
(a) If only one or two of three diners have arrived, the Shamash need
not serve them until the third arrives.
***HADRAN ALACH KEITZAD TZOLIN***
(b) As they finish their meals, each may leave and the Shamash must
continue to serve the remaining individuals.
(c) Rabah qualifies that this is only if the delay is not excessive
nor intentional and that they notified the Shamash of their
intention to leave one at a time.
(d) Ravina qualifies that they must pay his additional wages and that
the last to leave must add to his wage (and the Halachah does not