ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Sanhedrin 54
(a) A Beraisa corroborates Rava's interpretation of Rebbi Yehudah. The
significance of the fact that that Beraisa is a Toras Kohanim is - the fact
that the author of Toras Kohanim is Rebbi Yehudah.
(b) First however, the Beraisa explains the Pesukim in Kedoshim (in
connection with the punishment). The Tana Darshens "Ish" to preclude a
Katan, and "Asher Yishkav es Eishes Aviv", irrespective of whether she is
his mother or not. He learn from "Ervas Aviv Gilah" - a 'Gezeirah-Shavah'
that we will cite shortly.
(c) The Tana knows that "Mos Yumas" means Sekilah - from the
'Gezeirah-Shavah' of "Demeihem Bam", as we have already explained.
(d) After Darshening the Pesukim just like Rava, the Tana learns via the
'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Ervas Aviv *Gilah*" from "Ervas Avicha Lo *Segaleh*" -
that just as by the warning the Torah equates Imo who is not Eishes Aviv
with one who is, so too, by the punishment.
(a) According to the Rabbanan, "Ervas Avicha" refers to one's father Mamash,
as we explained. Even though he is already Chayav because of the Pasuk there
"ve'es Zachar ... ", the Torah adds an additional La'av, to sentence him to
(b) We know this from a statement by Rav Yehudah, who rules that ...
1. ... if a Nochri has relations with his father - he receives two
punishments, and the same applies to ...
(c) Rava amends Rav Yehudah's first statement to a Yisrael and (both
statements speak about Shogeg) - because otherwise, seeing as a Nochri is
not Chayav a Korban (even if he transgresses be'Shogeg), the only punishment
Rav Yehudah can be talking about is Miysah, and a person can only die once,
and the statement would be totally irrelevant.
2. ... someone who has relations with his father's brother.
(d) The reason that the transgressor would bring two Korbanos is - because
the Torah writes two La'avin, irrespective of the fact that it writes only
one Kareis between them.
(a) The above-mentioned Rabbanan cannot Darshen "Imcha Hi" to preclude
'Eishes Av' from a woman who is also his mother - since, as we just
explained, the first part of the Pasuk is talking about Aviv, and not Eishes
(b) We learned a Beraisa which concurs with Rava's amendment of Rav Yehudah,
sentencing a Yisrael who transgresses either of the two above-mentioned acts
to two Korbanos.
(c) Rebbi Yehudah Darshens "Ervas Aviv" with regard to Eishes Aviv. He
nevertheless concedes that the Pasuk "Ervas Achi Aviv Lo Segaleh" must
speak - with regard to Achi Aviv Mamash (seeing as the Pasuk continues "el
Ishto Lo Sikrav").
(a) In the first Lashon, we establish the above Beraisa like the Chachamim
(who explain "Ervas Aviv" literally). Based on what we just said, the second
Lashon nevertheless establishes it like Rebbi Yehudah - by means of a 'Kal
va'Chomer from Achi Aviv (whose relationship is only through Aviv).
(b) The basis of the Machlokes between the two Leshonos is a Machlokes
between Abaye and Rava - whether we hold of the principle 'Ein Onshin min
ha'Din' (meaning that one cannot learn a pumishment from a 'Kal va'Chomer'
[Rava]), or not (Abaye).
(c) The Rabbanan learn the warning for Eishes Aviv from the Pasuk (after
"Ervas Avicha") in Acharei-Mos "Ervas Eishes Avicha Lo Segaleh". Rebbi
Yehudah learns from there - a warning for Eishes Aviv after the death of
(d) The Rabbanan learn this from the conclusion of this Pasuk "Ervas Avicha
Hi" (to include after death). Rebbi Yehudah learns from there - that someone
who commits incest with one's father's wife, is not Chayav for Eishes Ish.
(e) When our Mishnah sentences every Eishes Av to Eishes Ish as well, and
Rebbi Yehudah does not argue, this does not imply that he agrees with this
D'rashah - because he specifically argues with them in a Beraisa.
(a) The Rabbanan learns the punishment of Eishes Aviv after the death of
one's father from the "Ervas Aviv Gilah" that Rebbi Yehudah uses for the
'Gezeirah-Shavah' (to learn the Onesh from the Azharah). Rebbi Yehudah
learns it - from the actual 'Gezeirah-Shavah' (the Onesh from the Azharah).
(b) The Rabbanan learn from "Imcha Hi" - the punishment for Imo who is not
Eishes Aviv, says Rav Shisha B'rei de'Rav Idi - because the words imply that
she is onsidered your mother, whether she is your father's wife or not.
(c) We learned in our Mishnah that someone who commits incest with his
daughter-in-law is also Chayav because of Eishes Ish. The reason that the
Tana does not add "Eishes B'no", which the Pasuk mentions independently
("Eishes Bincha Hi") is - because these words imply that whe is synonymous
with Kalaso, and not that it is an independent entity.
(a) Our Mishnah explains that the animal with which a woman performs
bestiality is stoned a. because it caused the person to sin, and - b. to
spare the deceased the constant degradation of people pointing at the animal
as the one that caused so-and-so to be stoned.
(b) In the Pasuk in Kedoshim "ve'Ish Asher Yishkav es Zachar Mishkevei
Ishah", the Tana Kama of the Beraisa Darshens, "Ish" 'P'rat le'Katan'. He
learns from ...
1. ... "Asher Yishkav es Zachar" (and not "es Ish") - that one is Chayav for
adultery and incest, even if the other party is a Katan (i.e. the girl is at
least three and the boy, nine), who is Patur.
(c) When Rebbi Yishmael says ...
2. ... "Mishkevei Ishah" - 'she'Shenei Mishkavos be'Ishah' (that one is
Chayav for adltery and incest, even for having unnatural relations).
1. ... 'Harei Zeh Ba le'Lameid' he means - that although 'Mishkevei' seems
to be teaching us a Halachah regarding homosexuality, this is unnecessary
(since it is obvious that this speaks about 'unnatural relations').
2. ... 've'Nimtza Lameid', he means - that it must then be coming to teach
us a Halachah regarding unnatural relations with a woman.
(a) Rebbi Yishmael learns that homosexuality is punishable by Sekilah from
'Demeihem Bam' which the Torah writes there, and from the Pasuk ...
1. ... "ve'es Zachar Lo Sichkav ... " - he learns the warning.
(b) When Rebbi Akiva, who disagrees with Rebbi Yishmael (and supports the
Tana Kama) says "Lo Tzarich", he means - that "Lo Sichkav" (which can be
read 'Lo Sishachev" [or "Lo Sashkiv", see Rashash]) already incorporates the
passive partner in the warning, in which case we do not need a special
D'rashah for this.
2. ... "Lo Yiheyeh Kadeish mi'Benei Yisrael" - that not only the active
partner is Chayav, but so is the passive one.
3. ... "ve'Gam Kadeish Hayah ba'Aretz Asu ke'Chol To'avoseihem" - that the
"To'evah" there applies also to the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei, enabling the Tana
to make the previous D'rashah (otherwise, there would be nothing in "Lo
Yiheyeh Kadeish" to connect with "ve'es Zachar ... ").
(c) We learn from the Pasuk "Ish Ki Yiten Shechovto bi'Veheimah" that a
Katan is Patur from bestiality, though a Gadol is Chayav irrespective of the
age of the animal. And from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Taharogu" from "Ki Harog
Tahargenu" (written in Re'ei in connection with a Meisis) we learn - that
bestiality is subject to Sekilah (the sole case that is not learnt from
(d) We now know the punishment of the man who performs bestiality with an
animal. From the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Kol Shochev im Beheimah Mos Yumas" - we learn the punishment for a
passive partner in bestiality.
2. ... "u've'Chol Beheimah Lo Siten Shechovt'cha ... " - we learn the
warning for same.
(a) Rebbi Yishmael learns the warning for the passive partner in bestiality
from the same combination as he learned it by incest ("Lo Yiheyeh Kadeish
... " and ve'Gam Kadeish Hayah ba'Aretz"). He derives both incest and
bestiality from the same source - because both are included in "ki Kol
ha'To'evos Asu Anshei ha'Aretz ... ".
(b) Rebbi Akiva learns the same thing from " ... Lo Siten Shechovt'cha ...
" - by Darshening "Lo Siten Shechovt'cha", 'Lo Siten Shechivascha'.
(c) Rebbi Avahu maintains that, according to Rebbi Yishmael, someone who is
both an active and a passive partner in ...
1. ... homosexuality in one He'elam (in a period of time during which he is
unaware that either of the two things that he is doing is forbidden) has to
bring two Korbanos, one for "Lo Sishkav" and one for "Lo Yiheyeh Kadeish".
According to Rebbi Akiva however - he only brings one (because "Lo Sishkav"
and "Lo Sishachev" are one and the same source).
2. ... bestiality in one He'elam has to bring two Korbanos, one for "Lo
Siten Shechovt'cha" and one for Lo Yiheyeh Kadeish". According to Rebbi
Akiva however - he only brings one (because "Shechovt'cha" and
"Shechivascha" are one and the same).
(a) Abaye disagrees with Rebbi Avahu - because, he says, there is no such
thing as 'Z'nus' in connection with an animal. Consequently, "Lo Yiheyeh
Kadesh" is confined to Z'nus with humans.
(b) He learns the warning for the passive partner in bestiality from the
Pasuk "Kol Shochev im Beheimah Mos Yumas", which is not needed for Shochev.
Despite the fact that this Pasuk is speaking about the punishment, he
nevertheless learns the warning from there - from the fact that the Torah
uses the expression "Shochev" (and not 'Nishkav'), thereby comparing Nishkav
to Shochev, which has both an warning and a punishment (as we learned
(c) Consequently, even according to Rebbi Yishmael - an active and a passive
partner in bestiality in one He'elam will only have to bring only one
(a) According to Rebbi Avahu, Rebbi Akiva holds that someone who is a
passive partner in both homosexuality and bestiality in one He'elam, has to
bring two Korbanos, one for "Lo Sishkav" and one for "Lo Siten
Shechovt'cha". Rebbi Yishmael holds - that he only brings one, for "Lo
Yiheyeh Kadeish" (which incorporates both).
(b) According to Abaye however, he brings two Korbanos, even according to
Rebbi Yishmael - one for "Lo Sishkav" and one for "Kol Shochev im Beheimah
Mos Yumas" (which is written by Shochev, but applies to Nishkav because of
'im Eino Inyan le'Shochev ... '. Consequently, both Shochev and Nishkav
share the same La'av "Lo Siten Shechovt'cha").
(c) Someone who is both an active and a passive partner in both
homosexuality and bestiality in one He'elam, according to ...
1. ... Rebbi Yishmael - has to bring three Korbanos: "Lo Sishkav" (Ba al
ha'Zachur); "Lo Yiheyeh Kadeish" (Heivi Zachar Alav); "Lo Siten
Shechovtecha" (Ba al ha'Beheimah), according to Rebbi Avahu; according to
Abaye, he is Chayav for the same three La'avin, only according to him, "Lo
Siten Shechovt'cha" incorporates Heivi Beheimah Alav (which, according to
Rebbi Avahu, shares the same Pasuk as Heivi Zachar Alav).
(d) Abaye only disagrees in one detail, as we explain, but in principle, he
agrees with Rebbi Avahu in this issue.
2. ... Rebbi Akiva - has to bring two ("Lo Sishkav" and "Lo Siten
(a) The Beraisa - precludes someone who performs homosexuality with a Katan
but not someone who performs bestiality with a young animal.
(b) We ask what this means. The Tana cannot be referring to a Katan in the
regular sense - because the Torah writes simply "es Zachar" (which includes
(c) Rav interprets Katan to mean one who is under nine. According to
Shmuel - the Tana means one who is under three.
(a) Rav learns this from the Hekesh of Nishkav to Shochev (like Rebbi
Akiva) - meaning that just as the Bi'ah of a Katan under nine is not
considered Bi'ah, so too, is the Bi'ah of a Gadol with such a Katan not
considered a Bi'ah (since the Torah compares Nishkav to Shochev, like Rebbi
(b) Shmuel's source is - the Pasuk "Mishkevei Ishah", comparing the Bi'ah of
a man (who is Nishkav) to that of a woman, which is not considered a Bi'ah
if she is under three.
(c) Rav's opinion has the support of a Beraisa - which specifically
precludes someone who commits homosexuality with a boy of over nine is
Chayav from the Chiyuv.
(d) The Beraisa adds - that a man or a woman is Chayav for bestiality
irrespective of whether the act is performed naturally or unnaturally.