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Shabbos 117


(a) What objection does the Gemara raise to the Rabbanan's Kal va'Chomer - that if one is permitted to save the Sefer-Torah bag together with the Sefer-Torah, then one should certainly be permitted to carry the skin of the Shechted Pesach together with its flesh?

(b) Why does it even object to learning it from the fact that is permitted to carry the bag, even when when it contains money?

(c) And on what grounds does the Gemara reject the Rabbanan's proof from the very fact that one is permitted to bring such a bag in the first place?

(a) Finally, the Gemara reverts to its initial statement, in which the Rabbanan prove that one may strip the Pesach, from our Mishnah, which permits saving the bag of a Sefer together with the Sefer.
What do we do with the Kashya 'Mi Dami, Hasam Tiltul, Hacha Melachah'?

(b) Why is it not still forbidden because of Pesik Reisha?

(a) It is obvious that Ben Beseira (in our Mishnah) would not permit saving a Sefer into a Reshus ha'Rabim. That is why Rav Chisda establishes the Machlokes between Ben Beseira and the Rabbanan according to Rebbi Eliezer.
What does Rebbi Eliezer say, and what is the Machlokes between Ben Beseira and the Chachamim?

(b) Raba raises two objections to this explanation, one according to Ben Beseira, and the other according to the Rabbanan. What are they?

(c) So Raba tries to establish their Machlokes according to Rebbi Yehudah.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say - with regard to someone who owns two houses facing each other on the street? What is their Machlokes?

(d) Abaye raises the same objections to Rabah's explanation as Raba raised to Rav Chisda's. How does Rav Ashi explain the Machlokes between Ben Beseira and the Rabbanan, by establishing both of them like Rebbi Eliezer, and by explaining that a Mavuy with three walls and a Lechi is a Mavuy Mefulash, and with three walls without a Lechi is a Mavuy she'Eino Mefulash?

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(a) How much food is one permitted to save in case of a fire according to ...
  1. ... the Tana Kama?
  2. ... Rebbi Yossi?
(b) Considering that one is carrying food, which is not Muktzah, why did Chazal not issue a blanket Heter to save as much food as one can?

(c) By the same token, why did Chazal restrict someone whose barrel of wine broke, to placing a vessel underneath it to collect the wine that is dripping out (but not to bring a second vessel and collect it from the air, or to place a bowl at the roof's edge, to collect the wine as it flows off)?

(d) Under which circumstances is it permitted to bring a second vessel?

(a) In the previous case, is one permitted to use the additional vessels first, and invite the guests afterwards?

(b) According to Rebbi Eliezer, if an animal with its son fell into a pit on Yom-Tov, one is permitted to bring one of them to the surface in order to Shecht it, but not the second one.
Why can one not Shecht them both?

(c) What does Rebbi Yehoshua hold?

(d) Why is it not evident that Rebbi Eliezer, who holds 'Ein Ma'arimin' holds like the Tana Kama (in a.), and Rebbi Yehoshua, like Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah?

(a) If someone saved white bread (for three meals) from a fire on Shabbos, may he then go and save black bread, or vice-versa?

(b) May one save from Shabbos for Yom Kipur or vice-versa, from Shabbos for Yom-Tov, or from one Shabbos for the next?

(a) If someone forgot to take the bread out of the oven when Shabbos began, is he permitted to take it out (Redi'as ha'Pas)? How much is he permitted to remove?

(b) What else could he do to ensure that all the bread is saved from getting burnt?

(c) Why is one not permitted to remove the bread with a baker's shovel? Is it a Melachah?

(d) What else, like removing bread from the oven with a baker's shovel, is only a Chochmah, and not a Melachah?

(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Beshalach ...
  1. ... "ve'Hayah ba'Yom ha'Shishi, ve'Hechinu Es Asher Yavi'u"?
  2. ... "(Liktu) Lechem Mishneh"?
  3. ... "Liktu"?
(b) Rebbi Zeira used to break off a large piece of bread, sufficient for the whole Se'udah. Why does this not look greedy?

(c) Why did he not do break off a small piece, like he did during the week?

(d) Why did Rebbi Ami and Rebbi Asi make a point of using the bread that had been used for an Eiruv, for Motzi, whenever it was available?

(a) The Torah (in Beshalach) uses the term "Hayom" three times. What do we learn from there, according to ...
  1. ... the Rabbanan?
  2. ... Rebbi Chidka?
(b) How do we learn (from the words of Rebbi Yossi) that our Mishnah, which permits one to save bread for three meals on Shabbos, is not speaking when he already ate the previous meal (like Rebbi Chidka), but when he did not (like the Rabbanan)?
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