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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Sotah 30
SOTAH 26,27,29,30 - These Dafim have been dedicated by Mrs. Estanne Abraham-Fauer in
honor of the first Yahrzeit (18 Teves 5761) of her father, Reb Mordechai ben Eliezer
Zvi (Weiner). May the merit of supporting and advancing the study of the Talmud be
(a) What Rebbi Meir, Rebbi Yossi, Rebbi Yehoshua, Rebbi Elazar and Rebbi Eliezer all
hold in common, Rav is quoted as saying, is - that a Sheini cannot make a Shelishi in
(b) When Rebbi Meir says ...
1. ... 'Kol ha'Ta'un Bi'as Mayim mi'Divrei Sofrim ... ' - he means those things that
are Tahor min ha'Torah, but on which the Rabbanan decreed Tum'ah (as listed in the
first chapter of Shabbos - such as someone whose head and most of him enters into
drawn water, or unwashed hands).
(c) They do not affect Chulin and Ma'aser-Sheini at all. Consequently, Chulin and
Ma'aser-Sheini which touch them may be eaten.
2. ... 'Metamei es ha'Kodesh u'Posel es ha'Terumah' - he means that they have the Din
of a Sheini le'Tum'ah, to make whatever they touch a Sh'lishi, which is considered
Tamei by Kodesh (because it can still make a Revi'i), but Pasul by Terumah (since
there is no Revi'i by Terumah).
(d) The Chachamim place Ma'aser Sheini in the same category as Terumah.
(a) We extrapolate from Rebbi Yossi above (who learns a Shelishi la'Kodesh min
ha'Torah, u'Revi'i mi'Kal va'Chomer') that there is no Shelishi by Chulin - because
if there would be, then he ought to have learned a Revi'i la'Kodesh min ha'Torah, and
a Chamishi mi'Kal va'Chomer'.
According to Rebbi Elazar in a Beraisa, a Rishon le'Chulin, li'Terumah or le'Kodesh
are Metamei two levels and render one Pasul (to make a Revi'i) by Kodesh ...
(b) In a Mishnah in Taharos, Rebbi Eliezer says 'ha'Ochel Ochel Rishon, Rishon;
Sheini, Sheini; Shelishi, Shelishi' (even for Terumah); according to Rebbi Yehoshua -
someone who eats an Ochel Rishon or Sheini becomes a Sheini (but not a Shelishi).
(c) If he eats a Shelishi, Rebbi Yehoshua declares him a Sheini le'Kodesh - but not
(d) Rebbi Yehoshua is speaking about 'Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Terumah' (by a
Kohen who wishes to train himself to eat his Terumah be'Taharah). He says that
'Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas ha'Kodesh' - remains Chulin. In any event, we see from
here that there is no Shelishi by ordinary Chulin.
1. ... one level and render one Pasul (to make a Shelishi) by Terumah?
2. ... one level and render one, Pasul (to make a Sheini) by Chulin?
(a) In a Mishnah in Chalah, Rebbi Eliezer discusses separating Chalah on a dough that
became Tamei be Meizid. He separates it - from a second Tahor Tevel dough.
(b) When we say that Chalah must be taken 'min ha'Mukaf' - we mean that when one
separates Chalah from one dough to exempt another dough, the two doughs must be
(c) One then proceeds to separate Chalah from the Tahor dough to exempt the Tamei
dough too - by placing the one close to the other and joining them with a third small
dough less than a k'Beitzah.
(a) According to the text of the Beraisa, the owner places dough that is less than a
k'Beitzah in the middle - because, although less than a k'Beitzah can receive Tum'ah,
it cannot transmit it.
(b) Another Beraisa citing the same Halachah - permits even a dough that is a
(a) Assuming that both Tana'im agree that Chulin which is Tavul le'Chalah is not
considered like Chalah, we initially explain that - according to Rebbi Eliezer, a
Sheini does not make a Shelishi in Chulin, whereas according to the Rabbanan, it
(b) The Tana of the first Beraisa nevertheless requires the dough in the middle to be
less than a k'Beitzah, either because it is a Mitzvah to minimize the level of Tum'ah
on the middle dough - or because he is afraid that if it was a k'Beitzah, the owner
may allow the dough which he has separated as Chalah to touch it, and it is forbidden
to make Chalah, Tamei.
(c) Rav Mari B'rei de'Rav Kahana rejects this suggestion. In his opinion, both
Tana'im agree that a Sheini cannot make a Shelishi, and the reason that the Chachamim
nevertheless forbid it is - because they hold 'Chulin ha'Tevulin le'Chalah ke'Chalah
Dami' (Chulin that is Tevel for Chalah has the Din of Chalah).
(d) Alternatively, both Tana'im might hold 'Chulin ha'Tevulin le'Chalah La'av
ke'Chalah Dami', and 'Ein Sheini Oseh Shelishi' - and the Chachamim forbid (not
because of the Tahor dough that is Tavul le'Chalah, but) - because of the dough in
the middle, which becomes a Sheini, since Chazal forbade causing Chulin in Eretz
Yisrael to become Tamei.
(a) We learned in our Mishnah that, according to Rebbi Akiva, they sang the Shirah
like one recites Hallel. When ...
1. ... the Tana of the Beraisa explains 'like a Gadol who recites Hallel with the
Tzibur', he means - that Moshe sang the Shirah, phrase by phrase, and Yisrael
responded, after each phrase, with 'Ashirah la'Hashem', in the form of a chorus.
(b) The word "Leimor" refers ...
2. ... Rebbi Eliezer B'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili (who argues with Rebbi Akiva in
the Beraisa) explains 'like a Katan who recites Hallel with the Tzibur', he means -
that they repeated each phrase after Moshe.
3. ... Rebbi Nechemyah (who argues with Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah)explains 'like a
Sofer who is Po'res al Sh'ma in Shul', he means that they all sang it together.
1. ... according to Rebbi Akiva - to the first phrase of the Shirah only ("Ashirah
(c) Rebbi Nechemyah derives his opinion from - the word "*Va'yomru* Leimor.
2. ... according to Rebbi Eliezer B'no shel Rebbi Yossi Hagelili - to each phrase.
(d) He interpret "Leimor" to mean - that Yisrael only took their cue from Moshe, once
he had begun.
(a) Rebbi Yossi Hagelili explains "Zeh Keili Ve'anveihu" - to refer in particular to
the babies and children, who stopped drinking from their mothers' breasts and
playing, to point at the Shechinah which was revealed at the Yam-Suf and say "Zeh
Keili Ve'anveihu", because they recognized Him from their earlier encounter in Egypt
(as we discussed above in Perek ha'Mekanei). We learn from here that there is no
pleasure in this world that can match seeing the Shechinah.
(b) 'Yonek' is a feeding baby - whereas 'Olel' is a small child.
(c) Rebbi Meir, based on the Pasuk "be'Makheilos Barchu Elokim, Hashem *mi'Mekor*
Yisrael", adds to the above D'rashah - that even the unborn fetuses pointed upwards
and announced "Zeh Keili Ve'anveihu".
(d) They were able to see through their mothers' stomachs - because a miracle
occurred and they became transparent.