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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafSukah 28
1) THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF R. ELIEZER
(a) (Tana Kama) R. Eliezer was asked 30 questions regarding
the laws of Sukah, 12 of which he responded to as
having heard them from his teachers, and 18 he did not.
2) MISHNAH: SUKAH OBLIGATIONS
(b) (R. Yosi b.R. Yehudah) He reported having heard 18 and
had not heard 12.
(c) R. Eliezer was asked if, indeed, he is so careful not
to say anything which he did not hear from his teacher.
(d) R. Eliezer responded (being forced to speak about
himself, something which he did not hear from his
teachers) listing his personal attributes, including
the fact that he never said anything which he had not
heard from his teachers.
(e) A similar and even larger list of qualities is
attributed to R. Yochanan b. Zakai, upon whom R.
Eliezer modeled his qualities.
(f) Of the 80 students of the great Hillel (whose strengths
are described), R. Yochanan b. Zakai was the least.
1. The Beraisa goes on to list every area of
knowledge which R. Yochanan b. Zakai had mastered.
2. If this was true of the least of Hillel's
disciples, what could be imagined of the greatest
of them, Yonasan b. Uziel!
3. It is said of Yonasan b. Uziel that birds flying
overhead were singed when he studied.
(a) One must have his head, the majority of his body and
his table in the Sukah.
3) THE EXEMPTION OF WOMEN
1. Beis Shamai invalidates the Sukah if his table is
within the house.
(b) Women, slaves and minors are exempt from Sukah.
2. Beis Hillel allows this arrangement.
3. Beis Hillel attempt to support their position
citing the elders who silently acquiesced while R.
Yochanan b. HaChornis sat with his table in the
4. Beis Shamai respond that indeed all the visitors
told R. Yochanan b. HaChornis that he could not
have fulfilled his Mitzvah in this manner.
(c) A boy who no longer needs his mother is obligated.
(d) The Elder Shamai made a Sukah above his daughter-in-
law's bed to provide a Sukah for her child.
(a) Question: What is the source for their exemption?
(b) Answer: The Heh of HaEzrach excludes women, while Kol
(c) Question: Are we to thus infer that Ezrach without the
Heh would imply both men and women, contrary to the
Beraisa (where HaEzrach comes in *include* women in the
afflictions of Yom Kipur)!?
(d) Answer (Rabah): The Heh can either include or exclude,
but the matter is decided through Halachah l'Moshe
MiSinai and then attributed to the Pasuk.
(e) Question: Which, Sukah or Yom Kipur, is derived from
the Pasuk itself, and which comes from Halachah l'Moshe
(f) Additional Question: We do not need either of these,
given that Sukah is time tied, thus exempting women,
and a woman's obligation to abstain on Yom Kipur is
learned from the Pasuk (as taught by R. Yehudah citing
(g) Answer (Abaye): Ezrach means men, and HaEzrach should
include women, who are exempt because of the Halachah
4) KOL TO INCLUDE MINORS
1. Question: Why do we need a tradition to exempt
women from Sukah?
(h) Question: If Sukah is Halachah l'Moshe MiSinai, then
what, indeed, does the Heh in the Pasuk teach us?
2. Answer (Abaye): We might have obligated them as
part of the obligation to dwell in the Sukah as
one would dwell in his home, with his wife.
3. Answer (Rava): We might have obligated women due
to the existing connection between the night of
Sukos and the night of Pesach, where women are
obligated to eat Matzah.
(i) Answer: It includes converts (whom we might have
excluded due to the word Yisrael in the Pasuk).
(j) Question: Why do we need a Pasuk to include women in
Yom Kipur, given the teaching of R. Yehudah citing Rav?
(k) Answer: To include women in the minutes added to Yom
1. We might have exempted women from these minutes
given that they are not subject to the warnings
and punishments of Yom Kipur itself.
2. This lesser status might be translated into an
exemption for women which the Pasuk precludes.
(a) Question: But the Mishnah exempts minors!?
5) A MINOR WHO NO LONGER NEEDS HIS MOTHER
(b) Answer: The inclusion speaks of minors who are
educable, while the exemption refers to those younger.
(c) Question: But the obligation of educable minors in
Mitzvos is mi'd'Rabanan, and is surely is not derived
from a Pasuk!?
(d) Answer: Indeed it is mi'd'Rabanan, and the Pasuk is
only used as an Asmachta.
(a) Question: When is a minor considered independent of his
6) THE GRANDSON OF SHAMAI THE ELDER
(b) Answer (Bei R. Yanai): When he can clean himself.
(c) Additional Answer (Resh Lakish): When he awakes and
does not call out for his mother.
(d) Question: But even older children may call out Mother
(e) Answer: We mean that he calls out repeatedly until
(a) Question: The cited incident (wherein Shamai prepared a
Sukah for his grandson) contradicts the very law of
Mishnah (exempting minors) which it is supposed to
7) MISHNAH: RAIN ON THE SUKAH
(b) Answer: By emending the Mishnah we learn that minors
are exempt, but Shamai was stringent regarding minors.
(a) One's principle residence is in the Sukah for seven
8) TEISHVU K'EIN TADURU
(b) Rain exempts one from the Sukah once porridge would
spoil from it.
(c) Rainfall on Sukos is analogous to a servant who gave
the cup to his master and who spilled it in his face.
(a) Question: What is the source for the Sukah obligations
listed in the Beraisa?
(b) Answer: The word Teishvu is understood to mean reside
as one would in one's house, including in-depth study.
(c) Question: But Rava taught that, while lesser learning
takes place in the Sukah, in-depth study takes place
(d) Answer: One speaks of reviewing that which is known to
him, and the exemption speaks of in-depth analysis
which one may do where he is most comfortable.
1. The concept of these two levels of study is
illustrated by Rava and Rami b. Chama.
2. After hearing the Shiur from R. Chisda they would
briefly overview all of the covered points, and
only then analyze them in-depth.