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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
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SUKA 36-56 (End of Maseches) have been dedicated by the wife and daughters
of the late Dr. Simcha Bekelnitzky (Simcha Gedalya ben Shraga Feibush) of
Queens N.Y. Well known in the community for his Chesed and Tzedakah, he will
long be remembered.
1) LULAV ON SHABBOS
(a) Question: Why is Lulav in the Mikdash not waved also on
Shabbos Chol HaMoed (what Melachah are we protecting)?
2) LULAV B'GEVULIN ON THE FIRST DAY
(b) Answer (Rabah): It is prohibited lest he carry the
Lulav out to receive instruction in its use.
1. The same Gezeirah holds by Shofar and Megilah.
(c) Question: Then Lulav should be prohibited on the first
day, as well, lest he carry it out!?
2. A person might take them out for instruction.
1. Answer: There is no concern since Rabanan
instituted, for safety, that the Lulavim should be
kept home (which will remind people not to carry
(d) Answer: The first day was not subject to a Gezeirah
since it is Chashuv (because it applies everywhere
unlike the other days when the Lulav is d'Oreisa only
in the Mikdash).
2. Question: But what about before the Takanah?
(e) Question: Then there should not be Gezeirah on the
first day nowadays, either (it is Chashuv)!?
(f) Answer: We are not certain which is the first day.
(g) Question: Then let those in Eretz Yisrael wave the
Lulav on the first day which falls on Shabbos!?
(h) Answer: Indeed, they do (but see 44a for the Maskanah).
1. This is supported by resolving our Mishnah (where
they brought their Lulavim to the Mikdash before
Shabbos) and the Beraisa (where they brought them
to the Beis HaKneses).
2. One must speak when the Mikdash was standing, and
one after the Churban!
(a) Question: Whence the obligation to take the Lulav on
the first day even outside of the Mikdash?
(b) Answer: The Beraisa derives it as one of the Derashos
from the Pasuk Ul'Kachtem Lachem...
(c) Question: Why do we need a Derashah to permit Lulav on
Shabbos (what Melachah is there)?
(d) Answer: We need it to permit Machshirei Lulav (in
accordance with R. Eliezer who permits cutting, etc.,
in preparation for the Mitzvah).
1. Question: What is R. Eliezer's rationale?
(e) Question: How will Rabanan (who disagree with the
permission taught by R. Eliezer) interpret BaYom?
2. Answer: The extra word BaYom in our Pasuk.
(f) Answer: It restricts Lulav to daytime.
(g) Question: Whence will R. Eliezer learn that limit?
(h) Answer: It is implied by the word Yamim at the end of
(i) Question: How will Rabanan interpret that Yamim?
(j) Answer: To the contrary, that Yamim would lead us (by
linking it to Sukah) to apply Lulav by day and night.
(k) Question: Maybe Sukah is only by day?
(l) Answer: The Beraisa asserts that it is day and night.
1. Question: Maybe Yamim refers only to daytime (by
linking Sukah to Yamim by Lulav)?
2. Answer: Yamim links Sukah to the seven days of
Miluim (which were day and night).
3. Question: Why link Sukah to Miluim, link it rather
4. Answer: It is more logical to link it to another
Mitzvah which is all day long (unlike Lulav which
is only once a day).
5. Question: Perhaps it is more reasonable to link it
to another Mitzvah which is permanent (Lulav,
unlike the one-time Miluim)?
3) THE ARAVAH OVERRIDES SHABBOS ON THE SEVENTH DAY
6. Answer: The word Teishvu links it definitively to
(a) Question: Why should the Aravah override Shabbos (and
not be subject to the Gezeirah applied to Lulav)?
4) ARAVAH OVERRIDING SHABBOS NOWADAYS
(b) Answer (R. Yochanan): The Gezeirah was not applied to
Aravah to publicize its Torah origins.
(c) Question: Then the same should hold by the Lulav!?
(d) Answer: Lulav is subject to the Gezeirah (taught by
Rabah, lest one carry it out for instruction).
(e) Question: The same should hold for the Aravah!?
(f) Answer: The Aravah is brought to the Mikdash by agents
of Beis Din and used by the Kohanim, for whom we do not
need to apply Gezeiros (unlike Lulav which is taken by
(g) Question: Then the Aravah should override Shabbos
whenever it falls, not only on the seventh day!?
(h) Answer: It would then overshadow Lulav.
(i) Question: Then let it override Shabbos on the first day
(not the last) just like Lulav?
(j) Answer: The Torah origins would not be publicized
thereby (people would attribute the bringing of the
Aravah to the permission associated with Lulav).
(k) Question: The Aravah should override Shabbos on another
(l) Answer: Once we removed it from the first day, we give
it another day of distinction.
(a) Question: Let Aravah override nowadays on Shabbos, as
well (to publicize its Torah origins)!?
(b) Answer: We are not certain which is the first day.
(c) Question: What of those in Eretz Yisrael?
(d) Answer (b. Hedya): The seventh day of Sukos may never
fall on Shabbos.
(e) Answer (Ravin and his entourage): It happens, and it
does not override Shabbos.
(f) Question: Then again, why not?
(g) Answer (R. Yosef): The Mitzvah of Aravah is to lean it
against the Mizbeach, which cannot be done nowadays.
(h) Question (Abaye): But our Mishnah groups Lulav and
Aravah together, presumably, because they are both
(i) Answer (R. Yosef): That grouping is not compelling.
(j) Question (Abaye): The Mishnah later reports that they
walked around the Mizbeach once each day, and seven
times on the last day, presumably with the Aravah!?
(k) Answer (R. Yosef): No, it is with the Lulav, while the
Aravah is leaning against the Mizbeach.
(l) Question: But R. Nachman (citing Rabah b. Avuha) taught
that they went around with the Aravah!?
(m) Answer (R. Yosef): Indeed he holds that, but I hold
that they went around with the Lulav.
1. This Machlokes is between R. Elazar (with the
Lulav) and R. Shmuel b. Nasan citing R. Chaninah
(with the Aravah).
(n) Question: But the implication of the reported incident
(where the Baisusim buried the Aravos) is that they
waved the Aravah (not only leaned it against the
2. R. Nachman citing Rabah b. Avuha agrees with
3. Rava reported to R. Yitzhok b. Rabah b.b. Chanah
that his father held it was with the Lulav.
(o) Answer: Indeed, this refutes R. Yosef.
(p) Question: Then the Netilah should override Shabbos!?
(q) Answer: Since those outside of Eretz Yisrael do not
override Shabbos (because of the doubt regarding the
date), those in Eretz Yisrael refrain, as well.