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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafYoma 15
1) ABA SHAUL AND RABANAN ON NEIROS AND KETORES
(a) Question: There is a contradiction between the two
orders here in Yoma?
2) ZERIKAS DAM HATAMID
(b) Answer (Abaye): One is speaking after the Hatavah of
the five candles; one after the two.
1. Question: Does Abaye hold that the interruption is
filled with the Ketores, but we know that he holds
that it is the Dam Tamid!?
(c) Answer (R. Papa) One listing (our Mishnah) is Rabanan
(Ketores first) and one (the Payis listing) is Aba
Shaul (Neiros first).
2. Answer (Abaye): This is resolved by the existence
of a Machlokes Rabanan (Ketores then Neiros) and
Aba Shaul (Neiros then Ketores interrupting the
Neiros with Zerikas HaTamid).
3. The rationale of Aba Shaul is "B'haitivo" then
4. The Rabanan take that to mean that the Ketores
should have already been offered at the time of
5. Otherwise we would end up with the Ketores being
brought after the Neiros in the afternoon!?
6. Question: Maybe that is so?
7. Answer: But the Neiros is the end, continuing all
8. Thus, both he Hatavah and the Hadlakah are done
with the Ketores already having been done.
9. Question: What will Aba Shaul do with this?
10. Answer: That restricts only the night (Oso).
1. Question: But the Seifa of the Payis listing
appears to follow Rabanan (Ketores in the middle).
(d) Abaye did not agree with R. Papa in order to avoid this
change of authorship in mid-Mishnah.
2. Answer: The opening and closing are Rabanan, while
the middle is Aba Shaul.
(e) R. Papa did agree with Abaye to avoid the switch from
speaking of the five candles to the two.
(f) Abaye responds that the first Mishnah is listing the
Avodos with which the Kohen needs to be familiar, not
the actual order of the Avodah (listed later).
(a) We were taught that the Kohen sprinkled the Tamid on
the NE corner and then on the SW corner (two corners as
(b) R. Shimon Ish HaMitzpeh taught that after the NE
sprinkling (as two) the SW sprinkling was split (West
then South, separately).
(c) R. Yochanan (citing a member of R. Yanai's Yeshiva)
taught that R. Shimon learned from the Pasuk where the
Torah gives this Olah (the Tamid) some of the laws of a
(d) Question: Then do the two (as four) sprinklings as an
Olah and then the four (separate) as a Chatas?
(e) Answer: We do not find blood at a second Kaparah.
(f) Question: But neither do we find blood half-Olah half-
Chatas (the Torah is forcing our hand here)!?
(g) Answer: It is only Pisuk (it is not truly the
sprinkling of a Chatas).
(h) Question: Why not sprinkle the one-as-two below (Olah)
and the two-as-two above (Chatas)?
(i) Answer: We do not find such a split above/below.
(j) Question: But we find such by Yom HaKipurim!?
(k) Answer: That is Matzlif (like lashes) and not actual
above/below the midline.
(l) Question: Again, we find such a split on the "Taharo
Shel Mizbeach (implying above/below the midline)?"
(m) Answer: No, it speaks of a clear area on the Mizbeach
itself, not above/below.
3) WHERE WAS THE LISHKAS HATELAIM?
(n) Question: Why the Olah sprinkling first?
(o) Answer: It is, after all, an Olah.
(p) Question: Why at the NE and SW corners?
(q) Answer: The sprinkling of an Olah requires Yesod.
(r) Question: Why NE first, not SW first?
(s) Answer: Since we must turn East, we get to NE first.
(t) Question: Maybe a Chatas should have characteristics of
an Olah, not the reverse?
(u) Answer: The Pasuk implies that a quality of Chatas is
done on to the Olah.
(a) Question: In one Mishnah we are taught that this
Lishkah was in the NW, and in another we are taught
that it was SW!?
(b) Answer: The Mishnah in Midos is R. Elazar b. Yakov.