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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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YOMA 59-88 have been dedicated to the memory of the late Dr. Simcha
Bekelnitzky (Simcha Gedalya ben Shraga Feibush) of Queens N.Y. by his wife
and daughters. Well known in the community for his Chesed and Tzedakah, he
will long be remembered.
1) MISHNAH: CHILDREN FASTING
(a) There is no obligation to withhold food from children on Yom
2) WHAT IS MEANT BY A YEAR OR TWO
(b) A year or two before their coming of age we train them to
fast part of the day.
(a) Question: If we educate children *two* years prior, then
need we even be told that we train them *one* year prior?!
3) MISHNAH: PREGNANT WOMEN AND THE ILL PERSON
(b) Answer (R. Chisda): One year is for an ill child; two for a
(c) Answer (R. Huna): *Girls*: Chinuch Sha'os begins at eight
years old for a healthy child; nine for a weak child, while
a 10 (healthy) and 11 (weak) complete the fast Mi'd'Rabanan
(12 year olds complete the fast Mi'd'Oreisa).
(d) Answer (R. Nachman): *Boys*: Chinuch Sha'os begins at nine
(healthy) or 10 (weak); completing the fast Mi'd'Rabanan
begins at 11 (healthy) or 12 (weak) (13 year olds complete
the fast Mi'd'Oreisa).
(e) Answer (R. Yochanan): Chinuch Sha'os begins at 10 (healthy)
or 11 (weak) (there is no completion of the fast D'Rabanan)
and the 12 year old completes the fast Mi'd'Oreisa.
(f) Question: How will R. Yochanan explain the "year or two
before" in the Mishnah!?
1. R. Huna and R. Nachman will explain that the Mishnah is
speaking only by a weak child and both expressions (one
year and two years) refer to the self same time.
(g) Answer: Do not use the term "prior (Lifnei)" in the Mishnah,
which means, simply, a year or two before their age of
i. "One year prior" uses as its reference the weak
child's obligation to complete the fast d'Rabanan.
2. However, R. Yochanan does not have Hashlamah d'Rabanan,
hence these expressions cannot refer to the same date.
ii. "Two years prior" is in reference to the child's
Torah obligation for completing the fast.
(h) A Beraisa states the date as R. Yochanan would teach it,
that Chinuch (presumably Sha'os) begins a year or two before
(i) Question: How will R. Huna and R. Nachman explain that
(j) Answer: The Chinuch in the Beraisa means Hashlamah!
(k) Question: Since when would we refer to Hashlamah as Chinuch
(the Beraisa teaches that Chinuch is to delay the child's
meal by an hour)?
(l) Answer: There are two types of Chinuch, Sha'os and
(a) A pregnant woman who develops a life-threatening craving for
something she smells is fed until she is calmed.
4) THE CARDINAL SINS
(b) An ill person is fed based on two medical opinions.
(c) In the absence of medical experts, we rely on the patient,
until he indicates that he has had enough.
(a) The Beraisa teaches that if a woman develops a life-
threatening craving for Kodshim or Davar Acher it is
permitted to feed it to her, because nothing stands before
saving a life except Avodah Zarah, Arayos, and Retzichah.
1. First we dip a spindle into the gravy of that forbidden
food and let her suck it.
(b) Question: What is the source for Avodah Zarah?
2. If that does not help, we give her the gravy itself.
3. If that does not help, we give her the forbidden food.
(c) Answer: From the obligation to love HaShem with one's
greatest love (his possessions or his life).
(d) Question: Whence the obligation to forfeit life and not
violate Arayos and Retzichah?
(e) Answer: From the fact that the Torah calls Arayos as akin to
an act of murder.
1. In Arayos as in Retzichah it is permitted to save the
victim at the expense of the life of the pursuer.
2. In Arayos, as we know by Retzichah, one must forfeit
one's life in order to avoid violating the prohibition.
(f) Question: How do we know to assume that a potential murderer
himself must sacrifice his life?
(g) Answer: It is logical, as in the incident brought before
1. The petitioner asked Rava if he is permitted to commit
murder to save his own life.
(h) The case of a woman who had such a craving was brought
2. Rava told him to allow himself to be killed since he
has no basis to assume his own life to be more precious
(redder blood) than his neighbor's (and the permission
to transgress in order to save a life does not apply
here, since anyway someone is going to die).
1. He told them to whisper in her ear that it is Yom Kipur
and to see what happens.
(i) The opposite outcome occurred (the fetus did not relent) in
the case brought before R. Chaninah and the child became a
notorious price gouger.
2. They did so and her (the fetus') craving passed.
3.. Rebbi used the Pasuk to refer to this fetus as destined
4. That child grew to become R. Yochanan.