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ZEVACHIM 17-18 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi
shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff
1) "MECHUSAR BEGADIM" (cont.)
(a) Question: R. Avuha gave a source for Mechusar Begadim;
what is the source that Shtuyei Yayin is Mechalel Avodah
in an Avodah where a Zar does not incur Misa ?
2) PROPER GARMENTS
(b) Answer: We learn a Gezerah Shavah "Chukah-Chukah" from
(c) Question: But the Tana learned from "U'Lehavdil..."!
(d) Answer: That was before he learned the Gezerah Shavah.
(e) Question: But the Tana learned Mechusar Begadim from
(f) Answer: He meant, what is the source that the laws of
Shtuyei Yayin, Mechusar Begadim and one who did not wash
are all the same (i.e. they are Mechalel Avodah in all
1. He answered, we learn from "Chukah-Chukah".
(g) Question: If so, what do we learn from "U'Lehavdil..."?
(h) Answer: We learn that it is forbidden to give rulings
1. Rav would not teach after drinking on Yom Tov, until
the next day, on account of intoxication.
(i) Question: But we have another source for Mechusar
1. "V'Nasenu Benei *Aharon ha'Kohen*" - Aharon must be
like a (proper) Kohen Gadol, if he served in
garments of a regular Kohen, the Avodah is Pasul.
(j) Answer: From there, we would only know about Avodos that
Me'akev Kaparah (atonement).
(k) Question: But we have yet another source for Mechusar
(l) "V'Arechu Benei Aharon ha'Kohanim" - the Kohanim must be
in their (proper) Kehunah - if a regular Kohen served in
the garments of the Kohen Gadol, the Avodah is Pasul.
(m) Answer: If we only learned from "V'Nasenu...", one might
have thought that Avodah with too few garments is Pasul,
but extra garments are not Mechalel Avodah -
"V'Arechu..." teaches, also this is Posel.
(a) (Beraisa): If the Bigdei Kehunah were dragging on the
floor, or too high off the ground (too short), or worn,
they are Kosher;
(b) If a Kohen wore at once two pairs of Michnesayim (pants),
or two Avnetim (belts), or was wearing one garment too
little or too many, or if he had a bandage under his
garment, the garments were dirty with mud or torn, he is
(c) (Shmuel): If the Bigdei Kehunah were dragging on the
floor, the Avodah is Kosher; if they were too high off
the ground, it is Pasul.
3) "BIGDEI KEHUNAH"
(d) Question (Beraisa): If they were too high off the ground,
it is Kosher!
(e) Answer (Rami bar Chama): If the garments are long enough,
but the Avnet holds them up too high, it is Kosher; if
the garments themselves are too short, it is Pasul.
(f) (Rav): Whether they are too long or too short, the Avodah
(g) Rav Huna's roommate: Did Shmuel really say 'If the
garments were dragging, the Avodah is Kosher; if they
were too high, it is Pasul'?
1. The Beraisa says, if they were too high, it is
(h) Rav Huna: Rami bar Chama already answered that (if they
are too high because the Avnet holds them up, it is
Kosher; if the garments themselves are too short, it is
(i) Question: (Rav said that whether they are too long or too
short, the Avodah is Pasul; the Beraisa is Machshir both;
we can explain the case of too short as Shmuel did, but)
how can you answer for Rav (the case of too long)?
1. Suggestion: The case of too long is when the Avnet
holds them up to the proper length.
(j) Answer (R. Zeira): Rav explains that the Beraisa
discusses one case - if the Bigdei Kehunah were so long
that they would drag on the floor, but the Avnet kept
them up, the Avodah is Kosher.
2. Rejection: If so, we must consider being held up
like being cut to size;
i. If so, when they are too short (even if they
are just being held too high, it is as if they
are cut too short,) the Avodah should be Pasul!
(k) (R. Yirmeyah mi'Difti): Tana'im argue about Bigdei
Kehunah that are too long and were not held up.
1. (Beraisa #1): "Al Arba Kanfos Kesusecha" - but a
three-cornered garment is exempt from Tzitzis.
(l) Rejection: No, all agree that we do not ignore it;
i. Suggestion: Perhaps this only excludes a
2. (Beraisa #2): "Al Arba Kanfos Kesusecha" - but a
three or five-cornered garment is exempt from
ii. Rejection: "Asher Techaseh Bah" includes a
five-cornered garment, therefore, "Arba"
excludes three (-cornered garments).
iii. Question: Why learn this way, and not
iv. Answer: A five cornered garment has four
corners, a three cornered garment does not.
3. Suggestion: The Tana'im argue whether or not we
ignore something extra.
1. The first Tana expounds "Asher Techaseh Bah" to
obligate a five-cornered garment
2. Question: What does the second Tana learn from this?
3. Answer: It obligates a blind person's garment.
i. (Beraisa): "U'R'isem Oso" - this excludes a
4. The first Tana learns this from "Asher".
ii. Suggestion: Perhaps it rather excludes a blind
iii. Rejection: "Asher Techaseh Bah" includes a
blind person's garment, therefore, "U'R'isem
Oso" excludes a night garment.
iv. Question: Why learn this way, and not
v. Answer: It is more reasonable to learn this
way, because other people see (Techeiles on) a
blind person's garment, but no one sees a night
5. The second Tana does not expound "Asher".
(a) (Beraisa): "Vad" - this teaches that the garments must be
linen, new, twined, the threads must be six-fold, and
Chulin garments should not be worn with them.
(b) Question (Abaye): I understand that they must be linen -
but they need not be new!
1. (Beraisa): If they are worn, the Avodah is Kosher.
(c) Answer to both questions (Rav Yosef): The Beraisa means,
garments which are called "Vad" (i.e. those of a regular
Kohen) should be linen, new, twined, the threads must be
six-fold, and Chulin garments should not be worn with
2. Counter-question (Rav Yosef): How do you understand
'the threads must be six-fold' - "Vad" connotes,
1. Some of these conditions are Me'akev, others are
(d) Question: What is the source that "Vad" means linen?
(e) Answer #1 (R. Yosi b'Rebbi Chanina): It means, something
that grows individually (one stalk from one seed).
1. Question: Perhaps it is wool (which comes off the
sheep in individual strands)!
(f) Answer #2 (Ravina): "Pa'arei Pishtim Yihyu Al Rosham...Lo
2. Answer: Strands of wool split and become doubled.
3. Question: Linen (before it is spun) also split!
4. Answer: They only split when they are beaten, not on
(g) Question (Rav Ashi): If so, how did we know the law
before Yechezkeil said this verse?
1. Counter-question (Ravina): "Kol Ben Nechar Erel Lev
v'Erel Basar Lo Yavo El Mikdashi" - (a Rasha or Arel
may not enter the Mikdash) -- how did we know the
law before Yechezkeil?
(h) Answer to both questions (Ravina): You must say, it was a
tradition from Moshe from Sinai, Yechezkeil wrote a verse
that alludes to it.
(i) Question: What do we learn from "Lo Yashgeru ba'Yaza"?
(j) Answer (Abaye): Kohanim do not wear the Avnet in a place
where people Mezi'ah (sweat).
1. (Beraisa): They do not wear the Avnet below the
loins or above the elbows, rather, even with the
(k) (Rav Ashi): Huna bar Noson was once in front of the
Persian king, Huna's belt was too high. The king lowered
it to his elbows, and told him 'You are "Mamleches
Kohanim v'Goy Kadosh" (therefore, you must conduct like
Kohanim, not to gird belts where you sweat).
(l) (Ameimar): "V'Hayu Melachim Omnayich" - was fulfilled
with Huna bar Noson.