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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Zevachim 77
ZEVACHIM 77-78 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi
shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff
1) THE STATUS OF THE OIL
(a) Question: The Shirayim must be eaten, but oil was added
before the Kometz was separated, nothing permits the
addition (and it is mixed with the Shirayim)!
2) LIMBS THAT BECAME MIXED
(b) Answer: We redeem the addition.
(c) Question: Where do we redeem it?
1. If we redeem it in the Azarah, it becomes Chulin
(d) Answer: Really, we redeem it in the Azarah - we did not
enter Chulin into the Azarah, we entered and redeemed
Kodshim, it became Chulin by itself!
2. If we redeem it outside the Azarah (and it was
needed for Taharas Metzora, it is Kodshei Kodoshim),
it becomes Pasul once it leaves the Azarah!
(e) Question: But R. Shimon holds that one may not bring a
Nedavah of oil! (Tosfos - presumably, he forbids it
(f) Answer: This is permitted for his Tikun.
(g) Question (Rav Huna bar Tachlifa): He should stipulate
that if he does not need Asham Metzora, it is an Asham
Taluy (instead of Shelamim, for then we do not waste
Kodshim, it also is eaten only one day and a night!)
(h) Conclusion (Rav Huna): It must be that R. Shimon holds
like Chachamim who argue with R. Eliezer, they say Asham
Taluy is brought only when one truly suspects that he
transgressed Kares, it may not be brought voluntarily!
(i) Rejection (Ravina): Such a stipulation is impossible -
Asham Taluy must be in its second year, Asham Metzora
must be in its first year!
(a) (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): If limbs of a Chatas were mixed
with limbs of an Olah, we burn all of them on the
Mizbe'ach - (even though it is forbidden Lehaktir limbs
of a Chatas l'Shem Re'ach Nicho'ach,) we consider the
Chatas to be like wood;
(b) Chachamim say, we wait for Ibur Tzurah (the next day,
when they are Nosar), then all are burned in Beis
ha'Sereifah (in the Mikdash.)
(c) (Gemara) Question: What is R. Eliezer's reason?
(d) Answer: "V'El ha'Mizbe'ach Lo Ya'alu l'Re'ach Nicho'ach"
- you may not offer on the Mizbe'ach (anything the Torah
is not Machshir for a Korban) for Re'ach Nicho'ach, but
it may be burned l'Shem Etzim.
(e) Chachamim expound "Osam" - only Chametz and honey are
forbidden l'Re'ach Nicho'ach and permitted l'Shem Etzim,
other things are forbidden even l'Shem Etzim.
1. R. Eliezer expounds "Osam" - the ramp is considered
like the Mizbe'ach only regarding (the prohibition
of offering) Chametz and honey, not regarding other
(f) Our Mishnah is unlike the following Tana.
2. Chachamim expound both from "Osam".
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): R. Eliezer and Chachamim
agree that a mixture of Chatas and Olah limbs are
(g) Question: R. Eliezer forbids when a Rove'a or Nirva was
mixed with a Kosher Korban, for the former may not be
offered - also a Ba'al Mum may not be offered!
2. They agree that if limbs of a Rove'a or Nirva were
mixed with Olah limbs, they are not offered;
3. They argue about limbs of two Olos, one Tam and one
Ba'al Mum, that were mixed together:
i. R. Eliezer says, we offer both - we consider
the limbs of the Ba'al Mum to be like wood;
ii. Chachamim forbid offering either.
(h) Answer #1 (Rav Huna): The Mum discussed is Dukin (a film)
in the eye; R. Eliezer holds like R. Akiva, who says that
if such an animal was brought up the ramp, we offer it.
1. Question: R. Akiva only permits b'Diavad, if it was
already brought up the ramp - l'Chatchilah, he does
not permit offering it!
(i) Objection: If so, they should argue about offering such a
Ba'al Mum by itself!
2. Answer (Rav Papa): Indeed, R. Eliezer and Chachamim
argue in this case, if the animals were brought up
(j) Answer #2: R. Eliezer learns from "Mum Bam" - it is
forbidden to offer a Ba'al Mum by itself, it may be
offered among a mixture;
1. Chachamim expound "Mum Bam" - it is forbidden to
offer while the Mum is there, if the Mum goes away,
it is permitted;
(k) Question: If so, why does R. Eliezer say that we consider
the limbs of the Ba'al Mum to be like wood - the Torah
absolutely permits it (in the mixture)!
2. R. Eliezer learns both laws from this, for the Torah
wrote "Bam" instead of "Bahem";
3. Chachamim say, this does not warrant learning a
(l) Answer: He addresses Chachamim according to their
1. I absolutely permit it, I learn from "Mum Bam" -
granted, you expound this differently, but you
should agree that it may be offered like wood, just
like (you agree regarding) limbs of a Chatas!
(m) (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): If limbs of Olos Kesheros became
mixed with limbs of a Ba'al Mum, if one of the heads was
offered, we offer all of them; if the Kerayim (bottoms of
the legs) of one of them were offered, we offer all of
2. Chachamim forbid - limbs of a Chatas are not
despised, limbs of a Ba'al Mum are despised.
(n) Chachamim say, even if all of them except for one were
offered, the remaining one is burned in Beis ha'Sereifah.
(o) (Gemara -R. Elazar): R. Eliezer only permits offering two
at a time (since one of them is surely Kosher, we assume
that the other is also), not one at a time.
(p) Question (R. Yirmeyah - Mishnah - Chachamim): Even if all
of them except for one were offered, the remaining one is
burned in Beis ha'Sereifah (this implies that R. Eliezer
argues, and permits offering the last one)!
(q) Answer (R. Yirmeyah bar Tachlifa): They mean, even if all
of them except for one *pair* were offered, the remaining
pair is burned in Beis ha'Sereifah.