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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Zevachim 81
ZEVACHIM 81 (1 Elul) - sponsored by Moish Smulevitz, Jeri Turkel, Marcia
Weinblatt and families in loving memory of their mother Esther Chaya Rayzel
bas Gershon Eliezer (Esther Friedman), upon her Yom Kevurah.
1) THE ARGUMENT OF R. ELIEZER AND THE CHACHAMIM
(a) Question #6 (Mishnah): If blood that requires four
Matanos (e.g. Olah) became mixed with blood that requires
one (e.g. Bechor - R. Eliezer says that we do four
2) "OLIM" CANNOT BE "MEVATEL" EACH OTHER
1. Suggestion: Perhaps here also, minimal Shi'urim were
mixed, and R. Eliezer means that we do four Matanos
on behalf of the Olah and one on behalf of the
Bechor (i.e. all the blood is thrown)!
(b) Answer (and Answer #2 to Questions 1-5 - Rava): In the
Mishnah and Tosefta, R. Eliezer and Chachamim argue about
buckets of blood that became mixed up (but perhaps if the
bloods were mixed together, R. Eliezer would say that Ein
2. Rejection: If so, R. Yehoshua would not say 'You
transgress Bal Tosif' (because (perhaps) all the
blood of the Bechor is in one Zerikah, as it should
1. R. Eliezer views blood being put in the wrong place
as if it was water (therefore, he permits it in
order to Machshir the other Korban), Chachamim do
(c) Question: They do argue about when the bloods are mixed!
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): R. Eliezer and Chachamim
agree that a mixture of blood of Chatas and Olah is
(d) Answer: According to R. Yehudah, R. Eliezer permits
whether or not the bloods were actually mixed, Chachamim
only argue when they were not mixed.
2. They agree that if blood of a Rove'a or Nirva was
mixed with blood of a Kosher Korban, it is not
3. They argue about blood of a Ba'al Mum and blood of a
Tam that were mixed together:
i. R. Eliezer says, we offer it, whether the
bloods were mixed together or whether the
buckets became mixed up;
ii. Chachamim forbid offering it.
(e) (Abaye and Reish Lakish): Chachamim forbid only regarding
the first Matanos of Chatas and Olah, but all agree that
if Shirayim of Chatas were mixed with Dam Olah we offer
it, for they are put in the same place (below).
(f) (Rav Yosef): No - Shirayim must be poured onto the Yesod
(but Dam Olah is thrown against the (vertical) edge of
(g) (R. Yochanan): R. Eliezer and Chachamim also argue about
Shirayim of Chatas mixed with Dam Olah.
(h) Question (Rav Huna bar Yehudah - Beraisa): (Regarding
Bechor it says) "Kodesh Hem" - if it was mixed with other
Korbanos, all are offered.
1. Suggestion: This refers to Shirayim of Bechor mixed
with Dam Olah, for they are put in the same place.
(i) Answer: No, it refers to Dam Bechor mixed with Dam Olah,
neither of which has yet been offered.
(a) Question: Presumably, this teaches that Olim (Korbanos
offered on the Mizbe'ach) do not Mevatel each other - but
we already learn this from "V'Lakach mi'Dam ha'Par
(b) Answer: Tana'im argue about which verse we learn from.
(c) Question (Rava - Beraisa): Question: "V'Hikrivu Benei
Aharon ha'Kohanim Es ha'Dam...v'Zorku Es ha'Dam" - why
does it say "Dam" twice?
3) INNER AND OUTER BLOODS THAT BECAME MIXED
1. Answer (according to Rashi, Shitah Mekubetzes): One
"Dam" teaches that we can offer Dam Olah mixed with
blood of its Temurah (or of another Olah or of
Chulin), for even if the animals became mixed while
alive, they would have been offered (if Semichah is
not a problem, e.g. they are of the same owner or of
(d) Answer: No, the case is, before any Matanos were done,
Dam Olah was mixed with Dam Bechor.
2. Question: What is the source to permit (offering it)
it was mixed with blood of Todah or Shelamim (had
the animals become mixed up while alive, we would
not offer them, for then the meat would go to waste
(lest it is the Olah) and/or Semichah cannot be
3. Answer: This is permitted, since these may be
brought voluntarily, like Olah.
4. Question: What is the source to permit if it was
mixed with Dam Asham?
5. Answer: This is permitted, since it requires four
Matanos of blood (below), like Olah.
6. Question: What is the source to permit if it was
mixed with Dam Bechor, Ma'aser or Pesach?
7. Answer: We learn this from the second "Dam".
8. Summation of question - suggestion: The Beraisa
permits when Shirei Dam Olah were mixed with Dam
Bechor (or Ma'aser or Pesach), for Shirayim are put
in the same place as lower blood.
(e) Question: If so, the only Chidush is that Olim do not
Mevatel each other - but we already learn this from
"Mi'Dam ha'Par umi'Dam ha'Sa'ir" (or "Kodesh Hem")!
(f) Answer: This Tana argues with the others, he learns from
(g) Question: We understand why two (of the three) Tana'im do
not learn from "V'Lakach mi'Dam ha'Par umi'Dam ha'Sa'ir"
- they explain, the bloods are not mixed, each is put by
itself on the Keranos.
1. We understand why two of the Tana'im do not learn
from "Dam...Dam" - they hold that these words are
not extra to be expounded;
(h) Answer: They expound (regarding Bechoros) "Kodesh *Hem*",
but their Temuros are not (fully) Kodesh and are not
2. Buy why do two Tana'im not learn from "Kodesh Hem"?
(i) Question: One Tana learns from "Kodesh Hem" - what is his
source for the above law?
(j) Answer: He learns from "Im Shor Im Seh la'Sh-m *Hu*" - it
is offered, its Temurah is not offered.
(k) Question (Beraisa): If the Kohen (without asking) threw
some of the blood above, all agree that he should throw
below, he fulfills his obligation with both bloods.
1. Suggestion: The case is, Dam Chatas was mixed with
(l) Answer (R. Yitzchak bar Yosef): The case is, Dam Chatas
(before any Matanos were done) was mixed with Shirayim
(after Matanos above, both bloods should be put below).
2. After the Matanos above, Shirayim of Chatas must be
put - all agree that we put below, for Shirayim are
put in the same place as Dam Olah!
(m) Abaye: Why didn't you answer that Shirayim were mixed
1. Perhaps you wanted to teach that even according to
the opinion that Shirayim are Me'akev, if some of
them are lacking, this is not Me'akev!
(n) Question (Rava Tosfah): But we established the Beraisa
when the upper blood was the majority, and he put above
more than the amount of lower blood!
(o) Answer (Ravina): At first we said that to answer for Rav
Ashi, who says that R. Eliezer holds Ein Bilah;
1. We concluded that the Beraisa discusses buckets that
(a) (Mishnah): If inner blood (that should be Nizrak inside
the Heichal) was mixed with outer blood (that should be
Nizrak on the outer Mizbe'ach), the mixture is spilled to
(b) If the blood was Nizrak outside and then inside, both
Zerikos are Kosher;
(c) R. Akiva says, if the blood was Nizrak inside and then
outside, (the inner Zerikah is Kosher,) it (the outer
Zerikah) is Pasul;
(d) Chachamim are Machshir (both);
1. R. Akiva is Posel blood of any Korban that entered
(e) (Gemara) Question: Why doesn't R. Eliezer argue also in
this Mishnah (and permit Zerikah outside and then inside,
viewing the blood in the wrong place like water)?
2. Chachamim say, only Dam Chatas becomes Pasul;
3. R. Eliezer says, even Dam Asham becomes Pasul -
(f) Answer: Just like l'Chatchilah upper blood must be put
before lower blood, inner blood must be put before outer