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Zevachim 8

ZEVACHIM 8 - dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.



(a) We learn from the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Ve'shachat Osah le'Chatas" - the prohibition of Shechting a Chatas with Shinuy Kodesh.
2. ... "Ve'lakach ha'Kohen mi'Dam ha'Chatas" - that the same applies to Kabalah.
3. ... "Ve'chiper Alav ha'Kohen me'Chataso" - that the prohibition extends to Zerikah, too.
(b) We learn Shinuy Ba'alim from "Alav", 've'Lo al Chaveiro'. With regard to Le'akev (Bedi'eved), we cite Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua, who will learn later from a similar Pasuk from "Chatas" "Chataso" - that Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim there are Pasul even Bedi'eved (as we shall see).

(c) And we know that Holachah she'Lo li'Shemah is also Pasul by a Chatas - from Kabalah (as we learned above).

(d) We still do not know ...

1. ... that any of the Avodos are Pasul Bedi'eved with regard to Shinuy Kodesh.
2. ... anything other than Zerikah Lechatchilah with regard to Shinuy Ba'alim.
(a) Rebbi Yonah learns from the Pasuk "Ve'asah es Chataso ve'es Olaso" - that all the Avodos of a Chatas Nazir need to be performed without Shinuy Kodesh (which renders the Korban Pasul even Bedi'eved) ...

(b) ... since we already know Lechatchilah from the Pesukim that we just cited.

(c) And Rav Huna b'Rei de'Rav Yehoshua learns from "Chatas" "Chataso" - that Zerikah is Pasul even Bedi'eved with regard to Shinuy Ba'alim, and so are all the other Avodos (which, based on the Hekesh to Shelamim, are compared to Zerikah, as we explained on the previous Amud).

(a) Ravina asked Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua what he will then learn from "Olah" "Olaso" (also written by Nazir). He declined to query him from "Minchas" "Minchaso" and "Nesech" "Nisko", due to a well-known D'rashah in Pinchas (with regard to the Musaf of Sukos). We Darshen from "Minchasam ve'Niskeihem" - that even though one is obligated to bring the Musaf on the specified day, it is permitted to bring the Menachos and the Nesachim that pertain to it, by night or on the following day.

(b) Likewise, he Darshens "Minchaso" and "Nisko" here - to permit bringing the Minchah and the Nesech of the Korban Nazir, in the same way (by night or even on the next day).

(c) And he also asked him how we can possibly learn a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Nazir from each other. The problem is that one cannot learn ...

1. ... a Chatas Cheilev from a Chatas Nazir - which comes with other Korbanos, whereas a Chatas Cheilev does not (as we explained above).
2. ... a Chatas Nazir from a Chatas Cheilev - which comes for a Chiyuv Kareis, whilst a Chatas Nazir does not.
(a) So Rava tries to learn the P'sul of Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by Chatas Cheilev from a Chatas Metzora. We learn from the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Ve'asah ha'Kohen es ha'Chatas" - Shinuy Kodesh ('she'Yih'yu Kol Asiyosav le'Shem Chatas').
2. ... "Ve'chiper al ha'Mitaher" - Shinuy Ba'alim (al ha'Mitaher Zeh, ve'Lo al ha'Mitaher Chavero').
(b) These Pesukim must be speaking even Bedi'eved - since we already know Lechatchilah from the Pesukim that we discussed earlier.

(c) We ask - exactly the same two Kashyos on the Limud Chatas Cheilev and Chatas Metzora from each other, as we asked on the Limud of Chatas Cheilev and Chatas Nazir.

(a) We therefore try and learn one from two with a 'Mah ha'Tzad'. We cannot learn ...
1. ... a Chatas Cheilev from the combination of a Chatas Nazir and a Chatas Metzora - because they share the unique quality of coming together with other Korbanos.
2. ... a Chatas Nazir from the combination of a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Metzora - because one cannot have either rescinded like a Nazir can.
3. ... a Chatas Metzora from the combination of a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Nazir because, unlike a Metzora, they do not have the option of bringing birds if they are poor.
(b) Ultimately, we learn the P'sul of Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by a Chatas Cheilev, a Chatas Nazir and a Chatas Metzora - from the Hekesh to Shelamim in Tzav.

(c) And from the Pesukim that we just discussed, we will learn - that they even render the Korban Pasul Bedi'eved (as we explained with regard to the Korban Pesach).

(a) The problem with a Chatas Avodas-Kochavim, as well as that of Shemi'as Kol, Shevu'as Bituy and Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav (of Korban Oleh ve'Yored) is - that the Torah does not write "le'Chatas" (like it does by Chatas Cheilev).

(b) And we answer that we learn Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by ...

1. ... Chatas Avodas-Kochavim - from a 'Mah Matzinu' from Chatas Cheilev, since both are Chayav Kareis.
2. ... the other three - from a Mah-ha'Tzad from Chatas Cheilev (which is brought on its own) and a Chatas Nazir and Metzora (which are not Chayav Kareis).
(c) We need all three to learn Shevu'as Bituy, because had we tried to learn it just from Chatas Cheilev and ...
1. ... Chatas Nazir - we could have asked that, unlike Shevu'as Bituy, who can bring a bird (be'Dalus, or even flour, be'Dalei Dalus), they cannot.
2. ... Chatas Metzora - we could have asked that, unlike Shevu'as Bituy, they cannot have their Neder rescinded.



(a) The Beraisa reiterates the Din in our Mishnah 'Pesach bi'Zemano, li'Shemo Kasher; she'Lo li'Shemo, Pasul'. The Tana goes on to say 'Pesach be'Sha'ar Yemos ha'Shanah - li'Shemo Pasul, she'Lo li'Shemo Kasher'.

(b) The Beraisa initially explains the Pasuk in Vayikra "ve'Im min ha'Tzon Korbano le'Zevach Shelamim la'Hashem" to mean - that if one Shechts a Pesach (which can only come from 'Tzon') during the rest of the year, it becomes a Shelamim (and is Kasher).

(c) The Pasuk must be referring to she'Lo bi'Zemano - since we already learned that bi'Zemano, it is Pasul.

(d) Seeing as this is the source for 'Pesach be'Sha'ar Yemos ha'Shanah, she'Lo bi'Zemano Kasher', Rebbi Ila Amar Rebbi Yochanan learns that if he Shechted it as an Olah or a Chatas, it is Kasher, too (despite the fact that the Torah only mentions Shelamim) - from the word "Zevach".

(a) We just learned that a Pesach that one Shechts as an Olah or a Chatas, during the year, becomes a Shelamim. We know that it does not become the Korban that one Shechts it as (an Olah or a Chatas) - because the Torah writes "Zevach Shelamim" (and not vice-versa), implying that whatever one Shechts it as, it becomes a Shelamim).

(b) In that case, we ask, let "Zevach" be a 'K'lal' and Shelamim' a 'P'rat' - precluding anything other than a Shelamim from the Halachah of 'she'Lo li'Shemo, Kasher'.

(c) Rebbi Ya'akov from Nehar Pakud points out that the second 'K'lal' ("la'Hashem") has different implications than the first one ("Zevach"), and that one cannot therefore learn this as a 'K'lal u'P'rat u'K'lal. The basic difference between the two K'lalim is - whereas "Zevach" is confined to animal sacrifices, "la'Hashem" implies 'whatever is for Hashem, even bird offerings and Menachos.

(a) We answer by establishing the Beraisa like Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael - who Darshens a 'K'lal u'Prat u'K'lal' even under such circumstances (as we learned earlier).

(b) We learn from the 'K'lal u'P'rat u'K'lal' - that any Korban that is Shechted she'Lo li'Shemo, during the rest of the year, is Kasher ...

(c) ... as a Shelamim.

(d) The problem with learning this as a 'K'lal u'P'rat u'K'lal' is - that we would only include Korbanos that come as a Neder or Nedavah (such as a Todah), but would preclude a Chatas or an Asham.

(a) We answer that "Zevach" is not a 'K'lal', but a Ribuy - since it forms one phrase with "Shelamim" and is basically redundant (unlike a 'K'lal', which is generally an independent phrase and is not redundant [see also Tosfos DH 'Ela').

(b) A 'Ribuy' as opposed to a 'K'lal', incorporates everything that it implies.

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